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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Mar 15, 2019, 2:57 PM by cmue81@gmx.de:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">I'm objecting right now and heavily so.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">There are lots of mappers not continuously<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">reading the mailing list or that are active<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">in other forums, so I do not have to regret<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">that I have not been there in 2017 or 2018.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">cycleway:right= and cycleway:left= tags<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">are way older. And no-one thought about<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">using "opposite_lane" as a value at the<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">time of their introduction.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I am not so sure about this. Given that<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">it is :left :right suffix for cycleway tag it is not <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">surprising that some continued to use values<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">from cycleway tag.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">The wiki was clear in that "lane" and<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">"track" values ought to be used. No-one<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">had written up an exclusion list of values<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">not to use, because no-one had seen the<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">need for such thing.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">Is it originally documented as open list,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">inheriting cycleway values, excluding<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">some cycleway values, closed list<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">or left unclear?<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">If left unclear then I would not assume that<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">all agree with me.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">If only two values are documented, you'd<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">expect that only two values are used, would<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">you not? And in the case, that another value<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">ever were added, you'd expect that people<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">would think of the implications, discuss the<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">implications and modify the doc with the same<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">care it originally was written with.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">Well, I see noticeable use of <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">opposite_lane in<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/cycleway%3Aleft#overview">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/cycleway%3Aleft#overview</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">And in general, Wiki documentation is missing many keys <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">and values, even ones used 10 000+ times.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">So for<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><div style="16px"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px">If only two values are documented, you'd<br></div><div style="16px">expect that only two values are used, would<br></div><div style="16px">you not? <br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">answer is "no".<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">Where are the wiki edits in 2017 of 2018 of the<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">wiki, documenting the results of the mailing<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">list discussions back then?<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">In general, people unfortunately rarely<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">document mailing list discussions on wiki,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">even in cases of a clear consensus.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">What is quite weird, given that editing wiki has<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">usually much greater impact on tag usage<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">than commenting on mailing list.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div> </body>
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