Then wait for me. It will take me some time to write a proposal.<div class="quote" style="line-height: 1.5"><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a changing table<br>From: bkil <bkil.hu+Aq@gmail.com><br>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>CC: <br><br><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">It is perfectly acceptable to come up with better tagging for established things and deprecate the old one, if we also invite downstream users from the start of the process (anyone?).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I didn't recall commenting on the talk page but looks like I had pretty good arguments. To accommodate rooms&tables, perhaps we could use nappy_changing=yes. Its scheme would then be:<div><br></div><div><div>1) If both toilets are mapped as a separated node:</div><div>amenity=toilets</div><div>wheelchair=designated</div><div><div><div>nappy_changing=yes<br></div></div><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div>amenity=toilets</div><div>wheelchair=no</div><div><div><div>nappy_changing=no<br></div></div><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div>2) if both toilets are mapped as a single node:</div><div>amenity=toilets</div><div>wheelchair=yes</div><div><div>nappy_changing=yes<br></div></div><div><div>nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets</div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>3) if toilet that belongs to an amenity or a building doesn't have it's </div><div>own object, for ex with a bar:</div><div>amenity=bar</div><div>toilets:wheelchair=yes</div><div>nappy_changing=yes<br></div></div><div>nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets<br></div><div><br></div><div>Other possible tags:</div><div><div>nappy_changing:for=adult/child</div><div>nappy_changing:capacity=<count of tables></div><div>nappy_changing:fee=*</div><div>nappy_changing:access=*</div><div>nappy_changing:height=*</div><div>nappy_changing:vending/dispensing=nappies;rash_cream;powder;wet_wipe;gloves;hand_sanitizer;pad;motrin;tylenol;...</div>nappy_changing:services=bench;shelf;potty;pillow;pad;...<br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><br></div><div>Is it correct that nappy_changing:location=toilets is equivalent to nappy_changing:location=unisex?</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM Michael Brandtner via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
I’m not a native speaker but I don’t think there will be any confusion when using changing_table. I don’t know of any changing tables for adults outside of nursing homes. In case of need we can add changing_table:for=adults.<br><br><p class="gmail-m_-7586793936701846990yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">Am Freitag, April 19, 2019, 11:06 PM schrieb marc marc <<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>>:</p><blockquote class="gmail-m_-7586793936701846990iosymail"><div dir="ltr">I encourage you to make a proposal if you want.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">in reality the problem #1 is that some members of the community are very <br clear="none">cautious when there is a 1:1 change proposal to replace a bad <br clear="none">"not-low-usage" key with a new better key, including those who have <br clear="none">never filled one of this object in osm nor used the data about this <br clear="none">object :(<br clear="none">Maybe your proposal will pass sucess due it is changing one key<br clear="none">with several others.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">the problem of existing applications (there are only 4 reported on <br clear="none">taginfo) is not a problem. it is possible to ask it to support the 2 <br clear="none">keys for 1 month and to make a mass edition in the middle of the month. <br clear="none">but here again the problem is the timidity of some members<br clear="none"><br clear="none">the small question that remains, should the key be called <br clear="none">baby_changing_table or changing_table? some people talked<br clear="none">about adult tables (I have a little trouble imagining an adult<br clear="none">on a table). that could avoid confusion<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Le 19.04.19 à 22:46, Valor Naram a écrit :<br clear="none">> You (Warin) and marc marc made some suggestions on how to improve this <br clear="none">> key. I also found a workaround for the problem of<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > [r]eplacing the key `diaper` with `changing_table` [or some other key <br clear="none">> or by any other changings how to tag changing tables] without or with <br clear="none">> the consens of the others of the community would hurt apps like AndOSM <br clear="none">> and other platforms working with the `diaper` key e.g. Babykarte.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I will write a proposal or should I first discuss my ideas with you instead?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Cheers<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Sören alias Valor Naram<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a <br clear="none">> changing table<br clear="none">> From: Warin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> To: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none">> CC:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 19/04/19 05:21, Paul Allen wrote:<br clear="none">>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Valor Naram <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:valinora@gmx.net" target="_blank">valinora@gmx.net</a><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:valinora@gmx.net" target="_blank">valinora@gmx.net</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Proposal_list" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Proposal_list</a><br clear="none">>> guided me to you. I have the following situation: I want to tag a<br clear="none">>> changing table but this changing table is in the toilet room for<br clear="none">>> wheelchair users. The page at<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:d" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:d</a><br clear="none">>> iaper states tagging for changing tables is just available in<br clear="none">>> toilets<br clear="none">>> for women,-men and unisex but not in toilets for wheelchair users.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> At first glance I thought you wanted to tag places where people in<br clear="none">>> wheelchairs<br clear="none">>> could change their own diapers. Then I checked with the wiki page and<br clear="none">>> realized what you mean.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> And then I realized diaper=* is not a good idea for a key. In<br clear="none">>> British English we call<br clear="none">>> them nappies (singular nappy), not diapers. And what the toilet<br clear="none">>> has is not a supply<br clear="none">>> of nappies (diapers) but a CHANGING TABLE. Which is what you<br clear="none">>> described it as,<br clear="none">>> because that's what it is. And had the key been<br clear="none">>> nappy_changing_table instead of diaper<br clear="none">>> I wouldn't have (briefly) misunderstood what you wanted to tag (a<br clear="none">>> changing table in<br clear="none">>> a toilet for wheelchair users, not a place where wheelchair users<br clear="none">>> can change their<br clear="none">>> own nappy).<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> +1 ... change table!<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Wheelies (wheelchair users) also use catheters with bags. 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