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<p>Hi</p>
<p>[AA] is a Mapillary picture of a typical UK disabled parking bay,
the hatched area is a what I think you are calling an 'access
aisle'. Those particular disabled parking bays are legally
designated and enforced.</p>
<p>I see that tags <tt dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity"
title="Key:amenity">amenity</a></bdi>=<a class="mw-selflink
selflink"><bdi>parking_space</bdi></a></tt> and <tt dir="ltr"
class="mw-content-ltr"
style="background:#EEF;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><bdi
style="white-space:nowrap"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parking_space&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:parking space (page does not exist)">parking_space</a></bdi>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:parking_space%3Ddisabled&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Tag:parking space=disabled (page does not
exist)"><bdi>disabled</bdi></a></tt> </p>
<p>are not described in the wiki but to my mind an entry for
parking_space = disabled should meet the local space and marking
scheme so in the UK a parking_space=disabled would without further
definition include an egress space. If there is a wish to
specifically mark those hatched areas then I suggest the use of
the word 'egress' .<br>
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<p>[AA] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/5PAU747rlUdNrCaDtUNDuA">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/5PAU747rlUdNrCaDtUNDuA</a></p>
<p>Regards <br>
</p>
<p>TonyS999<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/05/2019 10:54, Volker Schmidt
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<div>I would consider what is here described as access aisle
(according to the photo [1]) part of the parking space. Here
in Italy any parking space for the disabled has a dedicated
"access aisle" similar to the photo.<br>
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<div>If you want to achieve disabled (wheelchair) routing I
would assume it to be sufficient to map the disabled parking
spaces within the car park.<br>
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[1] <a
href="https://mycloud.snowandsnow.us/index.php/s/F2mAATCQ54SzfcT"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mycloud.snowandsnow.us/index.php/s/F2mAATCQ54SzfcT</a>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 11:31,
Tony Shield <<a href="mailto:tony.shield999@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">tony.shield999@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Having today downloaded and read SN01360 [2] |I disagree
with the interpretation. In that document there is only
one mention of 'aisle' it being an 'access aisle' in
Section 5.4 paragraph marked Off-Street Parking -" <span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Bold;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal"><b>Off-street
parking</b><span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">:
bays should be a minimum of 4800 mm long<br>
<span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">by
2400 mm wide with additional space: (1) where bays
are<br>
<span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">parallel
to the access aisle and access is available from
the side an<br>
<span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">extra
length of at least 180 0mm, or (2) where bays
are<br>
<span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">perpendicular
to the access aisle, an additional width of at
least<br>
<span
style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal">1200
mm along each side. </span></span></span></span></span><br
style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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style="font-family:FrutigerLTStd-Light;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal"></span></span>
<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">I
read that as saying the 'access aisle' is that which in
OSM is marked as 'parking _aisle', and it leads to a
parking bay designated for disabled users, the 'access
aisle' is not exclusively for the use of disabled users. I
am of the opinion that 'access' is misinterpreted to refer
only to disabled users which is a very restrictive
interpretation of the usual interpretation of access being
for anybody. I think it is something to be very careful
about.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">Usage
in the UK supports my interpretation - I know of many car
parks where ordinary and disabled spaces are next to each
other and accessed by a single way which has no
restrictions.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">For
parking bays I think that the tag:amenity=parking _space
is clear.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">Regards</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">TonyS999</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">On
02/05/2019 08:21, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Clifford,<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-6850702075196147787moz-cite-prefix">On
02/05/19 00:13, Clifford Snow wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Since the off loading
area is called an access aisle, both in the US
and UK [2], it seem to me that it would be an
appropriate term to use. Would using
highway=footway + footway=access_aisle +
wheelchair=yes be a more acceptable tagging
scheme? My concern is that just adding
wheelchair=yes to a footway doesn't get at the
requirement for the width of the access_aisle.
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<div>[1] <a
href="https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking</a></div>
<div>[2] <a
href="https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01360/SN01360.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01360/SN01360.pdf</a></div>
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<p>I'm really supporting your proposal for a
highway=footway + footway=access_aisle.</p>
<p>I would match this with a wheelchair=designated instead
of a wheelchair=yes, as suggested by Mateusz Konieczny.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ale<br>
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