<div dir="ltr">> and we already have it : crossing_ref<br><div><br></div><div>I was only referencing these facts to note a synergy with another proposal. It won't be productive to hash out the entirety of problems with crossing=uncontrolled and the proposal to use crossing=marked in this thread, so I'll ask that we have in-depth discussion on the other thread instead.</div><div><br></div><div>> beware of caricature :</div>> - unmarked pedestrian crossings with lowered kerb for wheelchairs<br>> - unmarked pedestrian crossing that connects a sidewalk on each side of <br>the crossing<br><br>> just because you've never seen one before doesn't mean it's a fiction.<div><br></div><div>I'm going to ask, again, that you keep away from personal accusations, particularly ones that are speculative in nature.</div><div><br></div><div>I have mapped thousands of unmarked crossings and am in no way implying anything derogatory. It is simply a fact that there are very few visual indications of where a pedestrian will cross an unmarked crossing. Therefore, the location where it is drawn is somewhat arbitrary - if you're lucky, there's a dropped curb and you can draw the line through those drops, but this is not necessary.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:10 AM marc marc <<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Le 08.05.19 à 00:06, Tobias Knerr a écrit :<br>
> We need a tag for the_type_ of the markings anyway<br>
> (as different patterns for marked crossings can have<br>
> entirely different legal meanings in some jurisdictions), and we can use<br>
> that same tag for presence/absence by also allowing yes/no values.<br>
<br>
and we already have it : crossing_ref<br>
and indeed i agree that adding yes/no to current value is a good idea.<br>
the name of the key is not perfect, but it has the advantage of <br>
existing. changing all the keys and value at once seems unrealistic. it <br>
seems preferable to me to take out the type of marking of the crossing <br>
key in favour of the crossing_ref key, it is not a perfect change, but <br>
it was already a huge step forward. we discussed it on the talk-fr list <br>
last year, no one opposed the mecanical edit. on the contrary only one <br>
contributor would have wanted us to go further and change all at once.<br>
to big to success.<br>
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