<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone, this is a late addition to this thread (I'll start a new one soon after I improve the proposal page), but I want to give an example of a crossing that has lights but no markings that is traversed by (guessing) thousands of people per day: <a href="https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=0fa511ff-b1e5-4011-b16c-d96c0c4ce8a5&cp=47.611664~-122.336542&lvl=19&dir=251.4678&pi=-22.174986&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027">https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=0fa511ff-b1e5-4011-b16c-d96c0c4ce8a5&cp=47.611664~-122.336542&lvl=19&dir=251.4678&pi=-22.174986&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027</a>. Despite having a lot of interesting art, there is no way to distinguish the crossing location from non-crossing locations via markings on the ground.<div><br></div><div>This is topical, as crossing=traffic_signals is often claimed to imply crossing=marked.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Nick Bolten <<a href="mailto:nbolten@gmail.com">nbolten@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crossing:signals" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crossing:signals</a><br><div><br></div><div>Hello fellow tagging enthusiasts!</div><div><br></div><div>This proposal suggests the deprecation of crossing=traffic_signals and replacing it with crossing:signals=yes, i.e. placing pedestrian signalization on a dedicated tag that is separate from crossing=* values.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The current values for the crossing=* tag are not orthogonal: crossing=traffic_signals is not actually orthogonal to crossing=uncontrolled or crossing=unmarked, for example. This presents a significant challenge to understanding the meaning of these tags and in creating properly descriptive tags on map elements. For example, let's take three attributes of a pedestrian crossing: signalization for pedestrians, signalization for traffic, and markings on the ground. What do crossing=uncontrolled/unmarked/traffic_signals say about these scenarios?</div><div><br></div><div>crossing=uncontrolled:</div><div> - signalization for pedestrians is undefined</div><div> - signalization for traffic *should* not exist, but due to confusions over the meaning of the tag, might.</div><div> - markings are implied, but due to confusions over the meaning of the tag, might not not.</div><div><br></div><div>crossing=unmarked:</div><div> - signalization for pedestrians is undefined</div><div> - signalization for traffic is undefined</div><div> - there are no markings</div><div><br></div><div>crossing=traffic_signals</div><div> - signalization for pedestrians: yes</div><div> - signalization for traffic is undefined</div><div> - markings are undefined</div><div><br></div><div>So, you can see the problem: the values are describing completely different things and the rest is ambiguous.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm interested in any/all feedback regarding this tag proposal! Thank you for your time!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Nick</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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