<div dir="ltr">Notice the extent to which personalisms are being launched. I'm not going to participate in that, aside to clarify that the quote regarding use cases of crossings and their relevance to pedestrian safety and people with disabilities was in response to both a personal accusation ("obsessive") and several claims about how mapping these things don't matter, despite the use cases I had repeatedly gone over. I felt that directness was necessary, because that is the implication of these facts: (1) low vision individuals need this information to navigate and pedestrians are safer at marked crossings, and (2) it was repeatedly stated that mapping these things isn't important.<div><br></div><div>They were asked as questions, and there was no response.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 18:04, Nick Bolten <<a href="mailto:nbolten@gmail.com" target="_blank">nbolten@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>This is a pretty good example of some of that unhelpful behavior I mentioned...</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Projection much? </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">There is a toxic habit that's far too common on this mailing list to speculate about bad intentions and then state them as if they are fact. It serves no purpose other than to divide and denigrate and has no place in a community-oriented project.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>YOU were the one who claimed, without evidence, that others had accused you of acting in bad faith.</div><div>YOU MADE THAT CLAIM.</div><div><br></div><div>I wondered why you had done so because, in another sub-thread, you implied that I was disagreeing</div><div>with you because I hated people with visual impairments. Here's the quote from that thread:</div><div style="margin-left:40px"><div><br></div><div>Anyways, that's a strange way to frame "mapping
something I don't care about". How is it obsessive? I've already listed
several important use cases, so I will be blunt: do you think people
with low vision are irrelevant and don't matter? Is this an ableist
community? Do pedestrians getting struck by cars not matter? Is it okay
that they die?</div><div><br></div></div><div>That looks very much to me like you were demonizing those who disagreed with you. Poisoning the</div><div>well. It sure looks that way. Whether you intended it to or not. It came across as you accusing me</div><div>of hating the visually impaired, or at least not caring if they live or die. People should ignore</div><div>anything I say, because I hate the blind.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If people have been accusing you of acting in bad faith (I've yet to see evidence of that) then I</div><div>can understand why if that is how you typically interact with them. But everybody is marching out</div><div>of step except you, so lets have a moderated forum where you are the moderator.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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