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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">24 May 2019, 13:32 by kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">I continue listening carefully to this mailing list, toping to glean useful information from it. IT SIMPLY NEVER HAPPENS.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">Well, for me for example<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/043350.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/043350.html</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/043355.html<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">was useful (if I would spend more time I would found something more recent, but this was what <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I remembered)<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">It was both positive and allowed me to further improve documentation page at<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:conscriptionnumber<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">As Frederik points out, we have no central authority. Are you arguing that we must constitute one? <br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">No, mailing list is a good place for sanity check (if noone argues against something then it is <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">really well established or simply noone cares about it) like for example I used it at<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/044190.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/044190.html</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">If almost entire mailing list describes something as a poor idea then it is very likely to actually<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">be a poor idea.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Mailing list is also a good place to get some ideas (better or worse).<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">But note that iD also should not treat itself as central authority overriding established practices,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">mailing list, OSM Wiki, popular tagging schemes, other software etc<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Obviously, any of this things may be (and often is) wrong but simply ignoring everybody<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">who disagrees rarely ends well.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">In the absence of a central authority, tools such as taginfo are actually the most reliable source. Yes, it's _argumentum ad populum_, but truly, what else is there?<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">taginfo is useful tool but only one of many. Examples of some of taginfo limitations:<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">- it simple tag count, meaning is not always clear (taginfo has some descriptions,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">but it is pulled from OSM Wiki). Just values at<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Aconscriptionnumber#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Aconscriptionnumber#values</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">will not meaning of this tag clear, one needs documentation to make it clear<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">- vulnerable to mass edits/imports, there were cases of people running undiscussed mass<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">edits and then immediately presenting tag popularity as reason to do something<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">- no history - it is often useful to see discussion/known limitations/reason why tag exists<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/is_in">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/is_in</a> has no way to explain why this tag was used,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">what is current opinion about it, is usage increasing etc<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div>- complex syntax - good luck with making opening hours parser using solely<br><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/opening_hours#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/opening_hours#values</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">It may be possible but documentation is necessary to make it productive<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">- taginfo is not a community - you can't ask taginfo about opinions on a new tag scheme<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">taginfo is not a replacement for mailing list, it is useful for completely different purposes<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><div style="16px">- poor information how tags relates to other tags (there are small bits of that but <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">it is very limited)<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div> </body>
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