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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> Warin <61sundowner@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 25 May 2019 09:49<br><b>To:</b> tagging@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Non-orthogonal crossing=* tag proposals: crossing=marked/unmarked vs crossing:markings=yes/no<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 25/05/19 07:32, Paul Allen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 22:12, Kevin Kenny <<a href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com">kevin.b.kenny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><br>Yeah, there really are combinations around here:<br><br>does it have signs?<br>does it have traffic signals?<br>does it have specific pedestrian-facing traffic signals? (Some<br>intersections just have you cross at the same time as motor traffic in<br>your direction rolls)<br>are the traffic signals pedestrian- or cyclist-controlled? (Is there a<br>button for you to push?)<br>does it have pavement markings?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>We also have;<br>tactile paving - a sequence of small raised bumps/dots on the paving that can be sensed by walkers/wheelchairs<br>audio warning - the button also has an audio output that signals when the traffic lights state to allow pedestrian crossing, and just before the pedestrian crossing closes.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>And none of that matters for the broad classification that the crossing=* key does, which is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:red;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You can’t cross here<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:red;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You can cross here, but there is no special legal status to it<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:red;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You can cross here, and it is a designated crossing place with some kind of special legal status (that in most jurisdictions prioritizes pedestrians over vehicles, specifics depend on local jurisdiction)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:red;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You can cross here, and there is a traffic signal that tells you exactly when you can and can’t cross that you have to follow<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>The labels chosen for these 4 categories are : no, unmarked, uncontrolled, traffic_signals. But they may as well have been a, b, c, d. Don’t try to interpret anything more into the label.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>These are the 4 different mutually exclusive types of crossings that need to be distinguished. Additional tags can provide further details, but don’t fundamentally change the type of crossing from one of these 4.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>In different jurisdictions, there may be multiple legally categorized variations of these 4 broad types. That’s what the crossing_ref tag is for.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>