<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp2a9ce25dyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 20:42:24 -0500</span><br></div></div></div><div id="ydpfe77736dyahoo_quoted_9277906175" class="ydpfe77736dyahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"><div><div dir="ltr">From: Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging a site with "Luxury Lodges"<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAMPM96rQrP3u=<a href="mailto:gC-vOgGLKokB-CKq-jfPzjp_Dv-Qe_WQBUUaw@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gC-vOgGLKokB-CKq-jfPzjp_Dv-Qe_WQBUUaw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> I personally would not tag a >20 foot wide manufactured home as a static<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> caravan<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Agreed</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I'm just amused that staying in a trailer park is considered a high end<br></div><div dir="ltr">> tourism/glamping experience in the UK instead of a cheap form of permanent<br></div><div dir="ltr">> housing. Granted, my exposure to this phenomenon is limited to this thread<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and Damn Dog Games covering Furcation 2018 on YouTube.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We have to remember that they were characterised as "Luxury" by the people trying to sell them at £190,000! I was not proposing to tag them with "quality=luxury" Ha Ha!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> I thought that building=static_caravan was meant for (single-wide)<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> trailers / “mobile homes” without permanent foundations, since these could<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> still be moved without demolishing a foundation or breaking the building<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> into pieces.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I would tend to agree. Or like the situation I was in for a few years in<br></div><div dir="ltr">> the middle of this decade where it's *literally* a caravan that is<br></div><div dir="ltr">> permanently parked. I've not exactly considered them permanent enough to<br></div><div dir="ltr">> warrant tagging (even though the specific one I lived in for a few years is<br></div><div dir="ltr">> still parked in the exact same spot it was when I lived there, and I<br></div><div dir="ltr">> legitimately question whether or not the landing gear is actually capable<br></div><div dir="ltr">> of retracting or the brakes releasing if they even wanted to move it at<br></div><div dir="ltr">> this point, since I believe it's sat on the same spot all but the first two<br></div><div dir="ltr">> years after it was built). I consider "mobile home" and "manufactured<br></div><div dir="ltr">> home" to be synonymous.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> If a manufactured home is placed on a permanent foundation, on land that is<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> owned rather than rented, then it is just a different way of building a<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> house, no?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I would classify a mobile/manufactured home as a permanent building,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> whether or not the owner took the wheels off and built a foundation.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Entire multistorey buildings are only slightly less likely to ever move<br></div><div dir="ltr">> again than mobile homes, and about as likely to survive transport (based on<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Mercy Hospital Joplin being picked up and moved around 3 meters by a<br></div><div dir="ltr">> tornado a few years ago, and seeing old mobile homes being moved; in both<br></div><div dir="ltr">> cases the only real next stop is a garbage dump).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Agreed. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> Similarly, a fancy modern house or apartment building might be built out of<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> prefab modules or modified shipping containers.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> I’d say the defining difference is whether or not there is a permanent<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> foundation</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I think that's not a bad starting place, though I'd be willing to call any<br></div><div dir="ltr">> mobile home not rigged up for immediate tow to be a permanent structure.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> See also: Portable classrooms. The leaky, 20 year old one I went to 6th<br></div><div dir="ltr">> grade in (along with it's sister unit that was planted immediately<br></div><div dir="ltr">> adjacent, scheduled to be removed "any year now" back in the 90s) is now<br></div><div dir="ltr">> about 45 years old, basically a black mold lawsuit waiting to happen and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> still in daily use back in Portland.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I would like to tag them as some form of leisure facility, because they are supposed to be used intermittently for weekends / holidays. However, I also understand the idea of "tag what you see".</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Out of interest, I looked up the planning permission granted for the site. It is for a number of "caravans", which can only be occupied for 11 months of the year. Originally, this was 8 months, but it was later increased. One "caravan" (for the site manager) can be occupied all year, but the owner is now applying for permission for 9 of them to be occupied all year (with no real justification - IMHO) <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It seems that the local community do not want a permanent development there, but the owner (selling them at £190,000 per plot, remember) wants to turn them from caravans into permanent bungalows. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Anyway, <span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I have now tagged the individual structures as "bungalow"s and the site as "Residential".</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks to all who have taken the time to contribute and assist.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20190524/59f3ab53/attachment.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20190524/59f3ab53/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div>
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