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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi all</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">I would like your opinion on the next issue.<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">On the Dutch forum (<a href="https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openstreetmap.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D66660">googletranslate</a>) I started a thread about the tag leisure=garden for private front/back gardens. Reason was that I saw
mappers using this for whole blocks of houses that were not publicly accessible.
That usage seemed completely different from all the other <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:leisure">leisure values</a>.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">In the f<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:leisure%3Dgarden&action=history">irst versions</a> of the wiki
page of leisure=garden there was no mentioning of private front/back gardens. <span> </span>It seems to me that OSM leisure=garden wiki
changed meaning on may 3, 2010 when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia
garden description that refers to private gardens. In order to differentiate from the publicly accessible
gardens (with or without fee) sometime additional tags like “access=private”<span> </span>and “garden:type=residential” are added. To me this seems better then no additional tags at all but in fact I think private gardens (not accessible) should not be tagged with the leisure key. On the talk page I saw that there
are <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:leisure%3Dgarden#Deprecate_this_for_private.2C_residential_gardens.3F">more objections</a> to using this tag for private (non accessible) gardens.<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">My question to you experts are:<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><span>1.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">Has this issue been discussed before
and if so … what was the outcome?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><span>2.<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB">If not… do you agree with me that
private front/back garden should not be tagged with leisure=garden but with a
non-leisure tag? (if so… any suggestions? And what about private "gardens" that are partially/completely paved?)<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">(PS: it is not my intention to
discuss the relevance of tagging private front/back gardens. I just want to
know how this should be tagged in case someone wants to. )</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cheers</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Peter (PeeWee32)<br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><span></span></span></p>
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