<div dir="ltr">ym to document the date when total disagreement was reached, the number of days that took and how many mails were sent? <div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Vr gr Peter Elderson</div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op ma 29 jul. 2019 om 08:49 schreef Tobias Zwick <<a href="mailto:osm@westnordost.de">osm@westnordost.de</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">One or several wiki edits should stand at the end of every tagging discussion, to document the conclusions made.<br>
<br>
Tobias <br>
<br>
On July 29, 2019 8:37:25 AM GMT+02:00, Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>Err .. sent to tagging list, so response here. Not to worry, a little<br>
>more chatter.<br>
>(Should there be a wiki edit list? Or would 'we' all then have to join<br>
>that well as the tagging list? Anyone not want to be part of the<br>
>discussions on wiki edits possibly of relevance to tagging? )<br>
><br>
>On 29/07/19 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:<br>
><br>
>> (Not sent to tagging list)<br>
>><br>
>> I think the idea was that a tree with a proper name is an important /<br>
>> landmark tree?<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps you crazy Europeans name your special trees, eg King George's<br>
>Oak?<br>
>><br>
>> The other suggestion was to use "landmark=yes" but this key is also<br>
>> not recommended. Someone needs to check how denotation=cluster is<br>
>> actually used now days.<br>
><br>
>Correct. I looked it up. :)<br>
><br>
>The key denotation is meant for special trees .. see<br>
><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation</a><br>
><br>
>So I have changed the wiki again . to simply direct 'special tree'<br>
>tagging to that page.<br>
><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster</a><br>
><br>
>If people want to mention names .. the denotation page would be the<br>
>better place for it.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Joseph<br>
>><br>
>> On 7/29/19, Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On 29/07/19 15:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:<br>
>>>> I've edited the page:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1) I reworded some of the helpful changes that Mateusz Konieczny<br>
>just<br>
>>>> made, for better English style.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2) I've removed the implication that de facto / approved are<br>
>>>> "recommended" and that "deprecated" / "discardable" etc. are "not<br>
>>>> recommended".<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I also removed the suggestion that "de facto" tags are supported by<br>
>>>> rendering / routing / editing software - while this is usually<br>
>true,<br>
>>>> it isn't what determines if a tag is given "de facto" status.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 3) I removed "obsolete" status from the list with<br>
>deprecated/discouraged.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> However, I now think I figured out what this status is supposed to<br>
>>>> mean: it's supposed to be used for tags that were deprecated, but<br>
>now<br>
>>>> no longer even appear in the database, so the wiki page is only for<br>
>>>> historical information.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Do we really need a special status for this, or should is it ok if<br>
>I<br>
>>>> retag the 6 tags with this status to "deprecated"?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - Tag:abandoned=yes - recommended replacement abandoned:*=* - used<br>
>34,000<br>
>>>> times<br>
>>>> - Tag:amenity=Kneippbecken - approved replacement is<br>
>>>> amenity=kneipp_water_cure - used 0 times<br>
>>>> - Tag:man_made=power_hydro / Tag:man_made=power_nuclear /<br>
>>>> Tag:man_made=power_wind - use power=generator, generator:source=*<br>
>>>> instead - used a couple of times only.<br>
>>>> - Tag:denotation=cluster - for special trees. Recommend to use<br>
>name=*<br>
>>>> instead with natural=tree. Had been down to 0 uses at one point,<br>
>but<br>
>>>> now there are a few hundred?<br>
>>> Gah! use name=* for something other than the name? No. Use the<br>
>description<br>
>>> key for that.<br>
>>> Edited wiki to remove this suggestion.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> So only amenity=Kneippbecken and man_made=power_* really fit the<br>
>>>> "obsolete" status, though there are a number of tags currently with<br>
>>>> "deprecated" that are also no longer found in the database.<br>
>>>><br>
>>> Once something has been 'depreciated' but now has little to no<br>
>presence then<br>
>>> 'obsolete' is a good status for it.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
><br>
><br>
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