<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, one ring (one key=one value) for all kind of public transports because it is easier to say this key and then what kind of transport do you have in.</div><div><br></div><div>It's better:</div><div><br></div><div>public_transport=stop_position or <br></div><div>public_transport=platform</div><div>and then bus,tram,train,subway,ferry,helicopter,UFO, future's vehicles...=yes</div><div><br></div><div>than</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>highway=bus_stop</div><div>railway=platform<br></div><div>railway=tram_stop</div><div>bus_bay=yes</div><div>ferry=station<br></div><div></div><div>whatever we have to invent in the future=*</div><div>
...
</div><div><br></div><div>Also I think if you want to map some complex situations you cannot use only one node for all of them, as we don't use it in banks and atm's.<br></div><div>Stop_area and stop_area_group are working well with big interchange stations.</div><div>There are 223000+ stop_area relations. And there are 4400+ stop_area_group relations, should we deprecate them? If you think there is no use about these tags. Please visit taginfo.</div><div>We have a small Mediterranean town called ... Barcelona that uses this transport scheme and we don't have any problem. You can see it at Osmand, Maps.me or OPVNkarte.</div><div><br></div><div>The only negative point for public transport v2 scheme was the no-deprecation of the old scheme to avoid duplicities (surely was done this to don't uncomfort people)<br></div><div>Salut i transport públic (Health and public_transport)<br></div><div>yopaseopor<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:39 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="gmail-m_-4705504748966829842moz-cite-prefix">Ferries also seam to be forgotten...<br>
<br>
public_transport=platform??? Covers ferry, bus, train, trams ...
?? <br>
<br>
(One ring to rule them all etc) <br>
<br>
With regard to ref. I have bus stops that have 'Stand A' etc near
train stations. these also carry a reference number that is used
by the transport company - they are handy if you knowthem as you
can type that in as your destination or start for there website on
finding a trip scheduled/fee. Discussion on the Australian list
resulted in this
<a class="gmail-m_-4705504748966829842moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bus_Stop_names_and_references" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bus_Stop_names_and_references</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 31/07/19 22:43, Jo wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">bus_bay = right | left | both (
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485293336" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485293336</a> ) <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For me the object that represents the bus stop, is always a
simple node. I don't see a problem for doing that in bus
stations as well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there are actual platforms, whether in a bus station or
somewhere along a way, it can be tagged:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>highway=platform (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/304753571" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/304753571</a>)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>or</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>or railway=platform (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/255344359" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/255344359</a>)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>for trams.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>on a way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These ways don't get the ref, name, route_ref, zone,
local_ref, operator, network, and so on, those go on the node
that represents the bus stop. Only that node needs to be added
to the route relations. It doesn't get any simpler than that.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Good. I can see no benefit to adding additional information to the
route. Things like shelters, toilets etc all become evident when the
map is viewed. The routeing information does not need it. <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/576656712" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/576656712</a>
(example of a bus stop served by 3 different operators near
Brussels, I only put public_transport=platform, bus=yes
because for a few years that seemed like the right thing to
do. Today I wouldn't mind removing those 2 tags once again.) <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Those platform ways could get:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>tactile_paving=yes</div>
<div>wheelchair=yes</div>
<div>height=</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So there is no real conflict between highway=bus_stop or
railway=tram_stop on a node </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>and</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>highway=platform or railway=platform on a way or an area.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Polyglot</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:13
PM Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 12:52, Joseph
Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Agreed, there are
enough tags for public transport already. I don't<br>
think anything new is needed.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There's something I haven't found a way of mapping.
That's a bus stop where there's a bay</div>
<div>inlet into the pavement (aka sidewalk, aka
causeway). If it served a different purpose and</div>
<div>had different road markings, it could be a lay-by
(aka rest area) or a parking bay. But it's a</div>
<div>bus stop where the bus does not obstruct the flow of
traffic. There are four of those in</div>
<div>my town, that I can think of (there may be others
I've missed).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I could use area:highway or add area=yes to a
closed way, but those don't seem to render</div>
<div>on a popular, well-known carto intended for mappers
to check their work for anything but</div>
<div>pedestrian ways.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is there a way of doing it that I've missed? If not,
could we have one?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Example: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/52.08760/-4.65318" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/52.08760/-4.65318</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- <br>
</div>
<div>Paul</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
Tagging mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="gmail-m_-4705504748966829842mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
Tagging mailing list
<a class="gmail-m_-4705504748966829842moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a class="gmail-m_-4705504748966829842moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><br>
</p>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
Tagging mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div>