<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpce2b1041yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="ydpce2b1041yiv6314396043"><div class="ydpce2b1041yiv6314396043ydp7dfe22fayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr">Hi,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the traditional "buy our products" sense.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A community-centre that is also offers bicycle repairs / is a bicycle repair shop.</div><div dir="ltr">Or a bicycle "shop" that primarily focuses on refurbishing disused bikes.</div><div dir="ltr">Or a community-centre or similar that provides job training for various groups, and such training happens through running a bicycle repair service for the public. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have found a few such bicycle repair and maintenance "shops" on OSM. </div><div dir="ltr">These are the searches I have used in overpass-turbo.eu: <br><br></div><div dir="ltr">(shop=bicycle or service:bicycle:repair=yes) and ownership=private_nonprofit</div><div dir="ltr">or</div><div dir="ltr">community_centre=bicycle_maintenance</div><div dir="ltr">or</div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">service:bicycle:repair=yes and amenity=community_centre</span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Many of those that I described, to my eperience do not offer Do-it-yourself (more on DIY below). <br>They still are something else than your "ordinary" bikeshop, and I think that is significant to reflect in tagging. <br>So I wonder how best to tag those. My experience is that most of them are non-profit.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My preliminary conclusion is to use this on the nodes I have mapped in Oslo and elsewhere in Norway:</div><div dir="ltr"> <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">shop=bicycle</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">service:bicycle:repair=yes</span></span><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">ownership=private_nonprofit (or <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">ownership=public_nonprofit)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Some additinional thoughts :</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">A. <br>If the place is a Do-it-yourself shop it should be tagged as such. Searching for this tag and value I see the pair has been used quite a lot. For example for bicycle kitchens.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> service:bicycle:dyi=yes. </span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">B. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Tagging primarily as a community centre?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Some might suggest to use amenity=community_centre combined with </div><div> community_centre=bicycle_maintenance<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">But then the community centre feature will overshadow the bikeshop aspect. (And in current renderings the place would not pop up as a place where you can fix your bicycle/tricycle)<br>I would like to have it the other way around, that is to emphasise the service offered to the public, rather than type of establishment.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Is it OK to use </span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> community_centre=bicycle_maintenance</span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">together with </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> shop=bicycle ?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Any other comments? </div><div dir="ltr">Could a single "freshly invented" value do the trick like </div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">service:bicycle:repair=work_training </span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The downside is that if searching for the value =yes, those nodes/ways/relations are not found.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Morten Lange</div></div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">P.S</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Bicycle kitchens and bicycle librarier are somewhat different animals. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Searching the web for bicycle kitchen, bicycle library etc turns up quite a few references. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I could not find them on OSM.</div><div dir="ltr">That is until I specifically searched in overpass-turbo for <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"> shop=bicycle and service:bicycle:diy=yes<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Rome, Paris and Berlin are virtually peppered. </div></div><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And for the case of the bicycle library .....</div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Would this be a possibe way to tag them </span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">service:bicycle:rental=library </span></span><br></div><div>?</div><div><br></div><div class="ydpce2b1041yiv6314396043ydp7dfe22fasignature">-- <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Morten Lange, Oslo<br></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>