<div dir="ltr"><div>Sorry for this missunderstanding. <br></div><div>In Spain we have motorways (autopistas) and also we have motorways (autovías). The problem goes with some roads (in some little moments can have two lanes per direction) that does not fit the standards of an "autovía or autopista" (bicycles, crossings at the same level -with no bridges with roundabouts to avoid the direct crossing) with unpaved tracks, no physical separation between directions... I assure you trunks are not motorways here in Spain.</div><div>Our problems are first with same administrative classification (Nacional N- roads) but with some of them there is little maintance and horrible smoothness instead of newer constructions versus new roads done by Country's government . Or with very good roads (infrastructures are good pub for the government zone's so they publicate detailed projects with these kind of information and previsions<br></div><div><br></div><div>Our physical classification would not be subjective:</div><div><br></div><div>-Is average speed statistics (here you can access and use this data for free) subjective?</div><div>
-Is Average Daily Traffic (ADT) data subjective?<br></div><div>-Is maximum speed subjective?<br></div><div>-Is the existence of bridges to avoid track crossings subjective?<br></div><div>-Is the restriction for some kinds of traffic (bikes) subjective?</div><div><br></div><div>No, they don't. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The signage will be ALWAYS represented by the first letter of the reference.<br><br></div><div>Also I want to attach some pics of these questions<br></div><div><br></div><div>
<a href="https://imgur.com/R1xTsXu" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/R1xTsXu</a>
</div><div>C-37 in this section should be trunk: 100/80, interlevel (with bridges) crossing with tracks, restricted access to bikes and agricultural vehicles...<br></div><div>But it is not of Fomento (Country): it is from Generalitat de Catalunya (State). So...it would not be the best level fro a road. Some people in Spain thinks this should be primary for this last reason I have said. Some trucks uses this to go to France by Pyrenees instead of paying AP-7 toll.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://imgur.com/vXeELEN" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/vXeELEN</a></div><div>CG 2.2 in this section also should be trunk: same case before. It is from Xunta de Galicia (State), not Fomento (Country)</div><div><a href="http://goog_279443696" target="_blank"><br></a></div><div><a href="https://imgur.com/FyRh0Je" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/FyRh0Je</a></div><div>N-260 in this section should be...secondary o tertiary: -of 50 maximum speed, all traffic allowed, road marks are orientatives of the middle of the road, two big cars does not fit at the same time ... But it is of Fomento (Country) so some people thinks this should be trunk. No big trucks use this section to travel around
Pyrenees. It is better to use whatever other solution.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://imgur.com/ejM93LR" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/ejM93LR</a></div><div>N-340 in this section should be primary:50/60 maximum speed, all traffic allowed but it is near the second city in population of Spain, Barcelona and this is the alternative of AP-7. Also two cars fit in. It is of Fomento (Country) so some people thinks this should be trunk.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://imgur.com/3AaQzpS" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/3AaQzpS</a></div><div>T-340 in this section should be primary: 80/60 average speed, all traffic allowed, crossings with tracks at the same level without no bridges. But it is from Diputació de Tarragona (Province) so for some people this should be secondary or tertiary. It is the main road to access to Delta de l'Ebre one of the most important Natural Parks in Catalonia.</div><div><a href="http://goog_279443702" target="_blank"><br></a></div><div><a href="https://imgur.com/y35kjmm" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/y35kjmm</a></div><div>A-14 in this section should be motorway (autovía) . In Spain to be "Autopista" you should to have these three things:</div><div>-No same-level crossings (without bridges and exits), no traffic signals and roundabouts</div><div>-Minimum speed of 60 km/h</div><div>-Have two or more lanes per direction</div><div>-Strict criteria for access the way, from motorway junctions and not directly.</div><div>When you don't cover one only of this criteria you are not Autopista , you are Autovía (motorway also). Fomento decides in the majority of situations convert their roads in motorways.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And yes Spain is different. I remember this <a href="https://imgur.com/mgfNbLs">https://imgur.com/mgfNbLs</a> between Liverpool and Manchester is a "trunk"... Here in Spain we don't have this in a trunk for about...20 years.</div><div>Also other problem comes when you have a "Nacional" (administrative trunk) and a parallel autovía (motorway). General traffic goes by motorway, so the trunk has A.D.T. data more little than other secondary or primary roads of the same zone (for this reason this section of the "Nacional" should be tertiary. Well, in Catalonia we try it officially. Here it ICGC Catalan Government (State) map:<a href="http://www.icc.cat/vissir3/index.html?DsebH9VpR">http://www.icc.cat/vissir3/index.html?DsebH9VpR</a></div><div>Fomento it is not agree with that: <a href="https://imgur.com/YH0GiWY">https://imgur.com/YH0GiWY</a></div><div>In this section there are not one but TWO motorways to avoid and pass the city of Tarragona so tertiary is the most accurate category for this section of "Nacional".</div><div><br></div><div>Openstreetmap should represent the reality of the place: you cannot avoid the importance of some ways because they are from a little government. Or in a reverse way: you cannot send the trucks via a sloped-curve-way because it is "National"<br><br></div><div>Salut i carreteres (Health and roads)<br></div><div>yopaseopor</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 12:35 PM Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 01:20, yo paseopor <<a href="mailto:yopaseopor@gmail.com" target="_blank">yopaseopor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>trunk: 4,3,2-lane new roads (newer than twenty years, with new track), with only interlevel crossings and exits, average speed of 80/100, and wide lanes. It is possible bikes or agricultural vehicles would be prohibited in these kind of ways.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Those sound like highway=motorway to me. However, I'm not sure what you mean by</div><div>interlevel crossings and exits. But if they really are trunks rather than motorways, from what</div><div>I've found in a brief search, Spain does have motorways but your scheme doesn't mention</div><div>them.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">From what I've found (which may be wrong or I've misinterpreted it) autopistas are</div><div class="gmail_quote">highway=motorway. Autovias are harder to categorize, but seem to be theoretically</div><div class="gmail_quote">highway=trunk even though in practise some of the newer autovias seem</div><div class="gmail_quote"> indistinguishable from highway=motorway in terms of construction and traffic</div><div class="gmail_quote">regulations.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Paul</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div>
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