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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">15 Aug 2019, 03:43 by joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a beach", and then<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I used his new description on the natural=beach page.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">My edit was triggered by <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Landuse&diff=prev&oldid=1889234">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Landuse&diff=prev&oldid=1889234</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">edit that claimed that beach is well defined by<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">"Unvegetated strip of land at the edge of water."<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Main problem with such definition is that strip of concrete/asphalt along shore<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">is not a beach.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I thought about dunes when I claimed that "beach is not<br>always unvegetated" but now I see that dunes are not considered as part of the beach.</div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I copied definition from Wikipedia as it seemed far better as it managed to<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">exclude stuff like <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_defences_(21467789266).jpg">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_defences_(21467789266).jpg</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mole_in_Funchal,_Ponta_do_Garajau,_statue_of_Cristo_Rei_and_Desertas_Islands._Madeira,_Portugal.jpg">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mole_in_Funchal,_Ponta_do_Garajau,_statue_of_Cristo_Rei_and_Desertas_Islands._Madeira,_Portugal.jpg</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concrete_defences_by_the_Saxon_Shore_way_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1240179.jpg">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concrete_defences_by_the_Saxon_Shore_way_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1240179.jpg</a><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Maybe copying previous definition from natural=beach would be preferable.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div style="16px" text-align="left">Re: > "To me it does not have plants growing on it - so unvegetated."<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I agree that beaches generally don't have surface plants like grass -<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">this can be found in wind-formed sand dunes next to some beaches,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">which I would map as natural=sand or natural=dune + surface=grass if<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">relevant.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">However, there are many beaches shaded by coconut palms and other<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">spreading or leaning trees here in the rainy tropics - the canopy<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">would extend out over the high tide water line, so the leaves cover a<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">significant part of the beach (5 or even 10 meters), and most mappers<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">put the boundary of natural=wood at the end of the canopy. So I don't<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">know if mentioning "un-vegetated" in the description is necessary.<br></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">So it seems that maybe I managed to improve it, but purely by accident.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Overall I am fine also with older definition from natural=beach, page but I strongly <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><div style="16px" text-align="left">oppose defining beaches as "Unvegetated strip of land at the edge of water."<br></div></div> </body>
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