<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">sent from a phone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 18. Aug 2019, at 23:06, Morten Lange via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am skeptical as that makes finding them less straightforward, if you are looking for [ a place where I can get my bicycle repaired or receive some help].</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>it will require you look for them explicitly or the app you are using would take them into account. On the other hand from my experience these aren’t places “to get your bicycle repaired”, they are rather places you can go to and hang out with other bicycle enthusiasts of a certain political orientation and repair your bike yourself.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Many potential users will not know about bicycle kitchens or that other community centres offer bicycle repairs.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>again, these places around here don’t “offer bicycle repairs”, they offer enabling you to do the repairs yourself </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I think they should be searchable also as somethings separate form the ordinary bicycle shop. Additional tags can do the trick.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">For bicycle kitchens I guess <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> service:bicycle:diy:yes </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">might cover it. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>while it isn’t factually wrong, it isn’t useful as a distinction from forprofit places where you pay to use a space to adjust your bike</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Here follow some new ideas that just popped out:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Perhaps add something like </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> shop:bicycle:type=bicycle_kitchen</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>yes, if it _is_ a kind of bicycle shop. An idea that is not universally shared.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Other values for that tag could be </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> with_pub</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> with_cafe</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> job_training</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> in_community_centre</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>IMHO no. We do not need tags of an is_in fashion for this, we can model this universally by making use of implicit spatial relationships (i.e. put the bike kitchen inside the community centre or pub, or the other way round, according to our interpretation of the situation)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers Martin </div></body></html>