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<pre wrap="">"Crop is a produce"
What does that mean?
The word "crop" in British English means " a cultivated plant that is
grown on a large scale commercially, especially a cereal, fruit, or
vegetable. (Oxford); or "a plant such as a grain, fruit, or vegetable
grown in large amounts" (Cambridge).
Plants are not produce, "produce" is the thing that a plant produces,
in OSM: "Describes a feature's agricultural output..." - so the word
"crop" is not appropriate, because "crop" is not the agricultural
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'Crop'
Look at the values used for crop crop=coconut, </tt><span class="western">crop=wheat, crop=hay etc. </span><span class="western"><span class="western">All of the reasonable ones are also 'produce'.
(Unreasonable ones such as 'market gardening are not crops so fail as produce too.)</span>
Look at the </span><span class="western"><span class="western">OSM description:
Crop: </span>"The crop produced by cultivated land." That would not be the plant but the output? And it does not match the BE definition?
</span><span class="western"> 'Produce'
</span><span class="western"><span class="western"> English</span><span class="western"> dictionary</span> as </span><span class="western">noun</span><span class="western"> is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "Agricultural and other natural products collectively."
In OSM description: </span><span class="western">Describes a feature's agricultural output produced though a natural process of growing or breeding.
The BE and OSM meanings are a much closer match for 'produce' where as they differ for 'crop'. </span>
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But I see that there is some desire for a tag for generic cropland, or
farmland used to grow unspecified crops. For this I would suggest the
key "farmland=cropland" or "crop=field_cropland", rather than crop=yes
(less specific) or produce=crop (unclear).
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farmland">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farmland</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=field_cropland">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=field_cropland</a>
Warin, if you do decide to use any of these tags, please document them
at a Tag: page or in your userspace or a proposal, if you have the
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<pre>There are many values for the key crop that lack documentation. crop=field_cropland being one, I think that describes the landuse not the output. </pre>
<pre>Another one that looks to me to be very bad is 'market_gardening'.
As these are 'common' yet lack documentation there is a need for them to be documented by those that support them. Joseph? </pre>
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Joseph
On 8/18/19, Warin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"><61sundowner@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Cannot farm land can be used for crops for some time, and then milk
cattle for some other period of time?
IIRC that is what one of my relatives did.</pre>
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<pre>? Anyone care to comment?</pre>
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<pre wrap="">But isn't that the definition of farmland in OSM? I would map meadows,
farmyards, and orchards with their respective tags, not with
landuse=farmland.
Leif R
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 7:18 PM Joseph Eisenberg
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com"><mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
Produce=crop would be worse, because “crop” is not a type of
produce, and produce= is only very rarely used for crop land (
crop= is the established key for types of crops like rice,
sugarcane, wheat, etc)
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The rate of present usage does not limit the use of a tag.
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is only used once in the data base ..
height=16 metres is only used once in the data base...
Crop is a produce.
produce=crop has 2 uses .. presently.
I have been mapping a small area where my family farmed for several
generations ... tomorrow there will be a lot more produce=crop.
If the judgement is simply on frequency of use the result may well be
wrong.
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As I mentioned on the Talk:Key:crop page, I suspect that this tag
crop=yes is sometimes used to say “this area of farmland is used
as crop land”, that is, to grow row crops like
grains/sugarcane/other annuals. So at least we know it probably
isn’t a meadow or a farmyard or an orchard?
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Vineyards have their own tag, should the tag crop=grapes be removed?
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Joseph
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 7:44 AM Warin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>
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Would produce=crop be better?
As produce could be fish, cattle, sheep, wool, or crops.
produce=crop would say that only crops are produced here.
On 18/08/19 01:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> sent from a phone
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>> On 17. Aug 2019, at 17:09, Mateusz Konieczny
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com"><mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com></a>> wrote:
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>> 9326 of 9657 crop=yes is on landuse=farmland - it seems to
me that it is
>> not adding any information whatsoever.
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> certainly removing them would be even less useful? You could
read it as a way of stating that something is purposefully
grown there. Someone else might refine it later ...
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> Cheers Martin
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