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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2019 um 21:03 schrieb Valor
Naram:<br>
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> Editors won't (in general) implement tags in presets unless
they're widely used. Unless editors and carto support tags, they
won't get widely used, so editors and carto won't support them.
Chicken and egg.<br>
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Yes, you're right. But I was the author of "changing_table" and
the guy who lead it throw the proposal process and also Moderator
of the discussion and votes. And contacting all the editors was no
problem and they implemented "changing_table" and deleted "diaper"
presets. See JSOM, OSMand, Vespucci and also iD. My effort shows
that working together with different groups works.<br>
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<p>A) at least I didn't "delete" the diaper preset.</p>
<p>B) you are confusing the decision that something is too silly to
argue about, with agreement.<br>
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I would highly appreciate it when you give me a chance. In real
life people are revelling their secrets to me because they trust
me and I give them the feeling of being accepted as they are. It
includes my talks with people from different worlds.
More-Than-One-World Secrets. This connection I can try to create
also among OSM folks (societies).<br>
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<p>That is seriously OT.</p>
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regards<br>
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Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose<br>
From: Paul Allen <pla16021@gmail.com><br>
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 24 Aug 2019
at 17:06, Valor Naram <<a
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<div>In my opinion this is a topic we should
consider working on and creating a wikipage to
describe the "defragemtation" process in
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<div>Doing so is probably not going to achieve much.
First we need to defragment OSM itself.</div>
<div>It doesn't matter what wonderful tags we come up
with here, if carto refuses to render them</div>
<div>then they won't get used. It doesn't matter what
wonderful tags we come up with here, if editors</div>
<div>don't implement them as presets they won't get
used.</div>
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<div>Carto won't (in general) render a tag unless it's
widely used. Editors won't (in general)</div>
<div>implement tags in presets unless they're widely
used. Unless editors and carto support</div>
<div>tags, they won't get widely used, so editors and
carto won't support them. Chicken and egg.</div>
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<div>There are complications (of course). Carto (in
general) refuses to implement aliases, so</div>
<div>whatever the merits of deprecating landuse=grass
in favour of landcover=grass, carto will</div>
<div>refuse to render landcover=grass. Editors don't
(in general) like implementing aliases</div>
<div>either. So however much we wish to try to fix
bad tags, which are frequently misused</div>
<div>because the name or value was a bad choice, it
probably won't happen. Some editors</div>
<div>occasionally decide they'll ignore the list, the
wiki, and carto, and go their own way</div>
<div>(sometimes they get their way and sometimes they
get a slap on the wrist).<br>
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<div>So what we need at this stage is not a
defragmentation process but joined-up thinking</div>
<div>between the various groups. I'm not holding my
breath on that one.<br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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