<div dir="ltr"><div>I believe that tourism is a characteristic of the line, not the stop. PTv2 handles this (as it does so many cases) quite easily.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's an example in central Paris of a stop that is served by a "public" bus line and a "tourist" bus line:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5292142706">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5292142706</a></div><div><br></div><div>The tagging for the stop is fairly straightforward:</div><div>bus=yes<br>highway=bus_stop<br>public_transport=platform<br>ref:FR:Open_Tour=17<br>route_ref=69;OpenTour<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Line 69 is operated by the RATP, the regional transit agency. Open Tour is a tourist line.</div><div><br></div></div><div>By the way, your proposed tag highway=tourist_bus_stop will not render in OSM Carto, the main map people see when they visit <a href="http://openstreetmap.org">openstreetmap.org</a>. As a result, many (if not all) potential mappers will be scared away. <rant>This has been a problem for years since PTv2 was introduced; apparently one person (as I understand it) in the OSM Carto world doesn't like PTv2, and so has blocked its implementation there. After many years, the main editors (iD and JOSM) have finally implemented presets for PTv2, so that's no longer a problem. (Thanks, Polyglot et al.) But the presets unfortunately must include the legacy tags, because OSM Carto won't render PTv2 without them. (Despite comments I sometimes see to the contrary, PTv2 has been wildly successful in terms of usage.)</rant></div><div><br></div><div>I frankly don't see the difference, either, between a "tourist" line and a "public" line. Tourist buses are open to the public and charge a fee, just as public buses do, and in fact "public" bus lines are often privately owned. If you look at the tagging for the Open Tour line (relation, not the individual stop) you will see this:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7282206">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7282206</a></div><div>description=bus touristique<br>name=Open Tour : Ligne Bleue<br>network=Open Tour<br>operator=Open Tour<br>public_transport:version=2<br>ref=Bleue<br>route=bus<br>type=route</div><div><br></div><div>That "description" tag is the only one to differentiate this route from a "public" route. If you really feel such a tag is needed, perhaps simplest would be to add a tag like this to the route:</div><div>tourist=only</div><div>...or some such</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, it would be a good idea to also send a notice of your proposal to the talk-transit list, where others might have good suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 3:48 PM Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:31, Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
The description here describes coaches, which are more comfortable than buses and are used for long distances. In French for example this would be the difference between Autocar and Autobus.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's one end of the spectrum. I'm not sure I'd call it a tourist bus (English usage). It's</div><div>a long-distance, comfortable bus. It's just for getting from A to B, not what you do at B</div><div>or requiring you to also return.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I would have considered a tourist bus, to be the buses that travel around Central London giving a guided commentary where tourists can get on and off a certain dedicated bus stops close to tourist attractions.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's the other end of the spectrum. Tourists turn up in London (somehow) and get one of</div><div>those things for a guided tour.</div><div><br></div><div>Another point on the spectrum is day tours from town A to town B or event C, such as</div><div><a href="https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/day-tours/" target="_blank">https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/day-tours/</a> They're not daily, or regularly scheduled, and you</div><div>need to book, so not public buses.</div><div><br></div><div>Elsewhere on the spectrum is coach holidays, from town A to town B, with a tour of town</div><div>B (similar to the kind offered by London tourist buses), such as</div><div> <a href="https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/coach-holidays/" target="_blank">https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/coach-holidays/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Both of those examples are from my local bus operator, who runs public buses in my</div><div>area: <a href="https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/local-bus-services/" target="_blank">https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/local-bus-services/</a></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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