
<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">I have reworked the page as per your instructions, please let me know if it still needs more clarification.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cheers</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Bob</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 13 Sep 2019, at 03:13, Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Thanks for working on this, Bob,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Check out the page "Proposal_process" and in particular</span><br><span>Proposal_process#Creating_a_proposal_page to help improve the</span><br><span>formatting and make sure you've included important information.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Please clarify exactly what should be mapped with this new tag. Is</span><br><span>going to be added to whole villages, as suggested in the section about</span><br><span>"open_defecation=yes?</span><br><span></span><br><span>"It would have its own sign and could be used as a node or area.</span><br><span>Although it may be added to small villages to indicate if it is their</span><br><span>primary source of human waste disposal."</span><br><span></span><br><span>This would not be a good idea, since it's not possible for mappers to</span><br><span>confirm that every house or a majority of houses in a village lack</span><br><span>latrines or toilet. But the rest of the page suggests that this tag is</span><br><span>supposed to be applied to areas where there are visible signs, in</span><br><span>other words, there's human feces exposed on the ground?</span><br><span></span><br><span>There are a couple of problems with the proposed subtags. It's not</span><br><span>best practice to use abbreviations or uppercase letters in tags, so</span><br><span>instead of "ODA_" it should be "open_defecation_" or</span><br><span>"open_defecation:", if need.</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ODA_Radius_.." "ODA_area_size..." - The first two subtags are not</span><br><span>needed - the area can be mapped instead, and this provides the shape</span><br><span>and size just from the position of the nodes in the database.</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ODA_survey_date=" - there is already a tag for this, survey:date=* or</span><br><span>source:date=* , but it is recommended to add such information to the</span><br><span>changeset rather than to individual OSM objects.</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ODA_responsibility=" is unclear. What would this mean, and how would</span><br><span>a local mapper in confirm this information?</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ODA_proposed_solution=" - Unfortunately, this is not appropriate for</span><br><span>Openstreetmap. We map real, current features, not opinions, reviews or</span><br><span>suggestions, because such information is too subjective for individual</span><br><span>mappers to maintain.</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ODA_abandoned=yes/no" - generally features in Openstreetmap should be</span><br><span>current, so if an area that was used for open defecation in the past</span><br><span>has now been abandoned, and there are no signs "on the ground", then</span><br><span>it should be removed from the database. Some mappers use a prefix</span><br><span>"abandoned:" like "abandoned:landuse=open_defecation".</span><br><span></span><br><span>However, if the area is "disused" - not currently in use, but there</span><br><span>are still signs that it was recently used, and perhaps it's still a</span><br><span>health hazard because of the presence of decomposing human waste, this</span><br><span>could be tagged with "disused=yes".</span><br><span></span><br><span>ODA_survey_hazardous materials_data_weblink= - I'm not sure what is</span><br><span>intended by this tag. Perhaps the existing tag url=* would be</span><br><span>sufficient?</span><br><span></span><br><span>(I've also left these comments on the Talk page of the proposal, so we</span><br><span>can continue discussion there)</span><br><span></span><br><span>-Joseph Eisenberg</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 9/12/19, Bob Kerr via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have created a proposal page for landuse=open defecation.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please review it, my wiki page editing skills have suffered from lack of use</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>so it could do with a little tidy if anyone wants to.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please discuss your thoughts here. The most controversial area is I am using</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the landuse tag rather than open_defication = yes. Please let me know which</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you would prefer.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>All the best</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bob</span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>