<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Security-Policy" content="script-src 'self'; img-src * cid: data:;"><style id="outgoing-font-settings">#response_container_BBPPID{font-family: initial; font-size:initial; color: initial;}</style></head><body style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-image: initial; line-height: initial;"><div id="response_container_BBPPID" style="outline:none;" dir="auto" contenteditable="false"> <div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"> Oups, wrong key, 32 use of landuse=mixed, sorry.</div> <div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"> <br style="display:initial"></div> <div id="blackberry_signature_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto"> <div id="_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto">LeTopographeFou</div> </div></div><div id="_original_msg_header_BBPPID" dir="auto"> <table width="100%" style="background-color: white; border-spacing: 0px; display: table; outline: none;" contenteditable="false"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-image: initial; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, "BB Alpha Sans", "Slate Pro"; font-size: 10pt;"> <div id="from"><b>De:</b> letopographefou@gmail.com</div><div id="sent"><b>Envoyé:</b> 19 septembre 2019 12:53 PM</div><div id="to"><b>À:</b> tagging@openstreetmap.org</div><div id="subject"><b>Objet:</b> Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> </div><!--start of _originalContent --><div name="BB10" dir="auto" style="background-image: initial; line-height: initial; outline: none;" contenteditable="false"><style id="outgoing-font-settings">#ssc93093 #response_container_BBPPID{font-family: initial;font-size: initial;color: initial;}</style><div id="ssc93093"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-image: initial; line-height: initial;"><div id="response_container_BBPPID" style="outline:none" dir="auto"> <div id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%"> And what about something like:</div><div id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%"><br></div><div id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Landuse=mixed (0 use in taginfo)</div><div id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Landuse:orchard=yes</div><div id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Landuse:meadow=yes</div> <div id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%"> <br></div><div id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">I would prefer that compared to secondary_landuse as it is much more scalable and less conflict-prone.</div><div id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%"><br></div> <div id="blackberry_signature_BBPPID" dir="auto"> <div id="_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID" dir="auto">LeTopographeFou</div> </div></div><div id="_original_msg_header_BBPPID" dir="auto"> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;display:table;outline:none"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 )"> <div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb( 181 , 196 , 223 );padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:'tahoma' , 'bb alpha sans' , 'slate pro';font-size:10pt"> <div id="from"><b>De:</b> <a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a></div><div id="sent"><b>Envoyé:</b> 19 septembre 2019 10:47 AM</div><div id="to"><b>À:</b> <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div id="reply_to"><b>Répondre à:</b> <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a></div><div id="subject"><b>Objet:</b> Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> </div><div dir="auto" style="outline:none"><div><div dir="auto">Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for grazing. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products: usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap, or other non-food products.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Orchards produce food: usually fruits like bananas, coconuts or oranges, but also tea leaves, coffee beans, and fruits used for oil like olives and oil palms. (According to current osm usage)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think a new tag like secondary_landuse or landuse:secondary would be nice so we don’t needn’t tags for every common combination, but I’m ok with orchard=meadow_orchard since it is already in use.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Joseph</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:43 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture indicates a forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Really? I don't see anything in the Wikipedia article that specifies the tree cover is dense. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was "denser", compared to a meadow orchard.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> In</div><div>fact, it says: "Integrating pasture into existing woodland presents challenges as well:
the woodland</div><div> likely needs to be thinned to increase light infiltration" It also has pictures of several different</div><div>silvopastures, none of which appear to have dense tree cover throughout. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards, I would use the term "meadow" with trees on it. The term "silvo" also is about a "forest"/woods. Can you see the difference?<br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"> Also the meadow in meadow orchard can be used for either pasture or cutting the grass, while silvopasture implies pasture.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The trees scattered throughout would make it more economic to put animals out to pasture on</div><div> it than to mow it. But maybe where you are people do things the least efficient way. Even if</div><div>that is the case, I doubt that would remain viable for much longer.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, we're probably fooling ourselves in many cases where we say a field is pasture or</div><div>meadow: it may change from year to year.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>places in southern Germany used for pasture are often in environments where (mechanically) cutting the grass is not feasible, due to steep terrain, or where mowing does not make a lot of sense because the soil is quite magre.</div><div>My point was that "silvopasture" has different connotations, it is about (some kind of) forest with animals grazing below, while meadow orchards is about meadows with sparse (fruit) trees on them (or sparse orchards on a meadow, if you like to put it the other way round). Silvopasture requires pasture, meadow orchards don't.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Martin<br></div><div><br></div></div>
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