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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/09/19 18:49, Volker Schmidt
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          <div>we may have to byte the bullet and allow
            semicolon-separated values for landuse. Specific word
            combinations are not a good solution<br>
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    OSM uses landuse=residential as a broad brush that includes
    recreation and commercial uses. It includes various densities of
    population. <br>
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    Why not landuse=agriculture? As a broad brush it could do well.
    Could includes all types of agriculture practice. <br>
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    If the output of the area is required then the key produce could be
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        <div>So far I know of <br>
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        <div>meadow + fruit trees<br>
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        <div> bovine pasture + aok trees <br>
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        <div>grain + olive trees</div>
        <div>grain + Almond</div>
        <div>pigs + trees<br>
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        <div>I am sure there are many more.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 09:43,
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019
                um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen <<a
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                  <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin
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                      <div dir="auto">I agree the term silvopasture is
                        not a synonym for meadow orchards. A meadow
                        orchard is specifically low density/sparse
                        trees, while silvopasture indicates a
                        forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover.</div>
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                    <div>Really?  I don't see anything in the Wikipedia
                      article that specifies the tree cover is dense. </div>
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              <div>I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was
                "denser", compared to a meadow orchard.</div>
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                    <div> In</div>
                    <div>fact, it says: "Integrating pasture into
                      existing woodland presents challenges as well: the
                      woodland</div>
                    <div> likely needs to be thinned to increase light
                      infiltration"  It also has pictures of several
                      different</div>
                    <div>silvopastures, none of which appear to have
                      dense tree cover throughout. <br>
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              <div>it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards,
                I would use the term "meadow" with trees on it. The term
                "silvo" also is about a "forest"/woods. Can you see the
                difference?<br>
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                      <div dir="auto"> Also the meadow in meadow orchard
                        can be used for either pasture or cutting the
                        grass, while silvopasture implies pasture.<br>
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                    <div>The trees scattered throughout would make it
                      more economic to put animals out to pasture on</div>
                    <div> it than to mow it.  But maybe where you are
                      people do things the least efficient way.  Even if</div>
                    <div>that is the case, I doubt that would remain
                      viable for much longer.</div>
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                    <div>BTW, we're probably fooling ourselves in many
                      cases where we say a field is pasture or</div>
                    <div>meadow: it may change from year to year.</div>
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            <div>places in southern Germany used for pasture are often
              in environments where (mechanically) cutting the grass is
              not feasible, due to steep terrain, or where mowing does
              not make a lot of sense because the soil is quite magre.</div>
            <div>My point was that "silvopasture" has different
              connotations, it is about (some kind of) forest with
              animals grazing below, while meadow orchards is about
              meadows with sparse (fruit) trees on them (or sparse
              orchards on a meadow, if you like to put it the other way
              round). Silvopasture requires pasture, meadow orchards
              don't.<br>
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            <div>Cheers,</div>
            <div>Martin<br>
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