<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Countries have their own legislation. Poland apparently has things that look like mini roundabouts but follow the regulations of "ordinary" roundabouts.</blockquote><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Netherlands has many mini roundabouts AND they follow the regulations of ordinary roundabouts. However, those are the same as for other junctions. So according to the wiki, these roundabouts and mini-roundabouts should not be tagged as roundabouts but as circular junctions, because no priority is implied. Nevertheless these rotaries are massively tagged as roundabouts, and lots of junctions wih a dot or circle in the middle as mini-roundabouts. Because that's what they look like, and that's what they are called: "rotonde" en "mini-rotonde". </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">So far I see no compelling reason to change it.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Regardless of legal issues and signage, navigation systems should not advise u-turns on narrow junctions including narrow mini-roundabouts. <br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">I guess that is why navigation systems keep telling me to "try and turn around", without telling how and where.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Fr gr Peter Elderson</div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 23 okt. 2019 om 15:58 schreef Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com">pla16021@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 14:35, Jez Nicholson <<a href="mailto:jez.nicholson@gmail.com" target="_blank">jez.nicholson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">AFAIK the traffic regulations are:<div>1. You should *avoid* doing a U-turn at a mini roundabout because there isn't much room to turn in, and people might not be expecting it. You are still allowed to do so.<div>2. *only* drivers of long/large vehicles may only drive over it. Everyone else has to drive round the roundabout as usual<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Highway code rule 188:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><strong>Mini-roundabouts.</strong> Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles <strong>MUST</strong> pass
round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically
incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and
less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of
others doing this.<br><em>Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)</em></span></span> <br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Point 1 should affect routers to discourage them from suggesting a u-turn, but not prohibit it.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Depends how you interpret "avoid." I am not a lawyer. If I wrote a router, I'd err on the <br></div><div>side of caution here: don't suggest a U turn as a feasible route, don't allow a user to enter</div><div>a route with such a U turn.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I believe the same would be true for any country.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Countries have their own legislation. Poland apparently has things that look like mini</div><div>roundabouts but follow the regulations of "ordinary" roundabouts.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Therefore, it is worth knowing whether it is a mini or standard roundabout.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Absolutely. </div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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