<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:06 AM Florian Lohoff <<a href="mailto:f@zz.de">f@zz.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:00:13PM +0200, Tom Pfeifer wrote:<br>
> On 23.10.2019 11:35, Florian Lohoff wrote:<br>
> > > These are a very common feature, it does seem odd that routers are not supporting them.<br>
> > <br>
> > The point is that a mini roundabout does need a LOT of preprocessing to<br>
> > put it into some graph for your classical A* or Dijkstra. You need to<br>
> > eliminate the node and replace it with a circular road much like a<br>
> > junction.<br>
> <br>
> Could you explain what the preprocessing is needed for, and why you need to<br>
> replace it in the routing algorithm.<br>
> <br>
> From my perspective nothing is needed. The routing engine recognises from<br>
> which way you come and where to leave, and, since the feature is so small<br>
> and clear, it can give instructions like at a normal junction, just using<br>
> the tag to describe the junction:<br>
> "At the mini-roundabout [turn right|go straight|turn left]".<br>
<br>
You would expect (as you see a roundabout sign) to get instructions to<br>
take the <a href="http://n.th" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">n.th</a> exit.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>At a mini roundabout? I mean, for all five of 'em we have in the US so far (three of which are blocks apart from each other in a city near me, basically the same thing as the UK version but turns the opposite direction and has a decorative brickwork or orange island instead of a white one), no, not really, I'd just expect to be told which way to turn and that it <i>is</i> a mini roundabout. The only thing I might do differently than a regular junction would be a straight through movement, have it pipe up to say "at the mini roundabout, continue straight on." This largely to tell me the two things I need to know offhand at such a junction: Turns work backwards than normal and all four ways yield to people in the intersection, otherwise roll it, so I can expect people to stop but can't count on it if I get there first.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
The roundabout change which triggered this mail is MUCH larger - And you<br>
physically can go straight but there is a small curb - so cars will use <br>
the circular road, trailers will possible use the curbed center with the<br>
last axles.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could we get a link to this roundabout? Seems like a potentially difficult call, mostly because the only difference between a painted on median and an all-"truck apron" median is basically like going over a driveway curb cut and not a physical barrier.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
> Basically the mini-roundabout is effectively more about who has priority,<br>
> and here all incoming roads have to 'give way'. Similar a four-side "stop"<br>
> sign in the US. I have used them in Britain and they are often just a bucket<br>
> of white paint poured in the middle of a junction.<br>
<br>
A mini_roundabout has the same rules as normal roundabout from what i<br>
look at the definition. The only difference is that its physically<br>
traversable.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This differs from an all-way stop, which is just bad engineering for stupid people by lazy traffic controllers.</div><div></div><div> </div></div></div>