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<div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">10 Nov 2019, 18:50 by pla16021@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:33, Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Are you claiming that there is some consistent difference between<br></div><div>shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream in real tagging by mappers?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would hesitate to claim that mappers tag anything consistently. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I am thinking about like amenity=restaurant vs amenity=fast_food<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">Exact border differs and on edge there is no strict consistency but<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">there is useful distinction between amenity=restaurant and amenity=fast_food<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">From what I know that there is no such useful difference between<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">amenity=ice_cream and shop=ice_cream (or phone=* / contact:phone=* or <br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">some other pairs of tags)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><div style="16px" text-align="left">What I am claiming<br></div><div>is that there are places where you go inside, sit down, and order an ice cream to<br></div><div>eat whilst seated. I am claiming that there are other places which have no facilities<br></div><div>for sitting, where you buy an ice cream that you take outside and consume elsewhere.<br></div><div>These differences exist in reality. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I fully agree with this.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><div style="16px" text-align="left"> How they have been mapped, especially when the<br></div><div>wiki page is misleading, is another matter.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I am unaware about any tagging scheme used to distinguish between them,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I am aware about claims that it was supposed to be covered by<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">amenity=ice_cream and shop=ice_cream but for me it seems that in real<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">use there is no difference between this two tags.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div>Are you sure that mappers are consistently using this two tags in this ways?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not sure about mappers doing anything consistently.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">Well, places where you can buy ice cream are not tagged amenity=prison,<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">there is some level where you can say "consensus among mappers is that".<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div>Because I am not noticing this effect at all, but maybe it is a local anomaly.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe it is mappers in countries which do not have both types of facility and<br></div><div>erroneously conclude the tags are synonyms, aided by misleading wiki pages.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">In Poland we have both types of places.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div>But given that shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream do not have<br></div><div>any clear difference based on tags I would be highly surprised that there<br></div><div>is any real difference in meaning.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think it unlikely that anyone who has encountered both types of establishment would<br></div><div>conclude that the same tag equally describes both.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">See my reply to quotation above, as what you noticed below about Wikipedia. <br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><div style="16px" text-align="left"> I'll grant you that the Wikipedia<br></div><div>page for ice cream parlours includes establishments that are takeaway only, but I'm<br></div><div>not sure if that truly reflects US usage.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><div>Here is an image search <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+kiosk+seaside&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qvnPmeDlAhUEQhUIHXcGAoEQsAR6BAgJEAE" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+kiosk+seaside&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qvnPmeDlAhUEQhUIHXcGAoEQsAR6BAgJEAE</a><br></div><div>which shows mosly ice cream kiosks which are takeaway only. I would not refer to those<br></div><div>as ice cream parlours.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="16px" text-align="left">I agree here that there is difference between ice cream kiosk and ice cream parlour.<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">I would not be claiming that shop=ice_cream_kiosk and amenity=ice_cream_parlour<br></div><div style="16px" text-align="left">have no clear differences, but we have shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream<br></div> </body>
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