<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thanks everybody for your comments!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Without trying to quote each one of you individually ...</div><div><br></div><div>OK, if it should be a proposal, how to change it? Just alter the name of the page to "Proposed Features/Tag:barrier=berm", or does the page have to be moved?</div></div><div><br></div>A berm, in modern usage, does indeed refer to any number of broadly similar concepts, in that it is (usually) a simple pile of dirt, either bare, or covered with grass.<div><br></div><div>So how about changing the definition to:</div><div>"
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">A </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span class="gmail-plainlinks" title="w:en: Berm"><a rel="nofollow" class="external gmail-text" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Berm" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background:none;padding:0px"><span style="padding:0px 1px"><img alt="" src="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/24/Wikipedia-16px.png" title="w:en: Berm" width="16" height="16" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px;"></span>Berm</a></span></b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> in modern usage, is a raised barrier (usually made of compacted earth, either bare or grass covered) separating two areas. It can have many applications, including as a defensive fortification line, a protective barrier, a border/separation barrier or in industrial or sporting settings".</span> <br></div><div>Is that better?</div><div><br></div><div>I did look at a random sample of the existing 61 berms, & this would cover all that I saw - protective walls around apparent ammunition stores; presumed anti-pollution walls around industrial facilities; walls along roads & close to (apparently dry) water features & so on.</div><div><br></div><div>While researching, I did also notice reference to berms using in BMX & Motocross tracks but thought they would be too physically small to map? Do we usually map chicanes & similar on normal race-tracks?</div><div><br></div><div>In regard to shooting ranges - yes the area behind the target can be referred to either as a butt, stop-butt or a back-stop, but it is (usually) a pile of dirt. Firing "mounds" can be a slightly raised area to fire from, or it can be a traditional name for just that part of the range area.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd agree that earthworks could do with some work, but, yep, that's another can of worms! (When do we mention gabions <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabion</a> & their modern equivalent <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion</a>? :-))</div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div>In regard to large levees, John has been talking about these recently at <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/049185.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/049185.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Question of my own - is there any particular reason that a berm couldn't just be rendered the same as a wall?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div>