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Why didn’t you do something about it?
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9.8pt">(or are you asking for bicycles with
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<DIV>>generally I agree, exceptions apply. In the motorcar example they are
grounded in real life particularities (best reason I’d say).</DIV>
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<DIV>I am a part of the they, then it was not within my area of focus, scope, in
the given time range when it originated and was implemented, now after a while
we all have more knowledge, then the question is how we can solve it in a way
that does justice to, where the tagged does not be destroyed in such a way, that
it remains applicable. That is my approach now.</DIV>
<DIV>So leave motorcar as it is, people who want to use it, because it is used
so much. </DIV>
<DIV>Don't let us stop implementing the following.</DIV>
<DIV>Give people the opportunity, to tag more correctly, this means for me the
introduction of multi_tracked_motor_vehicle, /mt_motor_vehicle. This does
justice to the principle “generally I agree”. </DIV>
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<DIV>Where I am working on: </DIV>
<DIV>Traffic_sign translation. I miss keys for transportation, to make a tag
combination. So I am interested in the access diagram.</DIV>
<DIV><A
style='href: "https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Overzicht_Nederlandse_Verkeersborden"'
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face="Times New Roman">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Overzicht_Nederlandse_Verkeersborden</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV>Ended up to make a style, to see and control the tags. Get hints in Josm
window. </DIV>
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<DIV>Far from ready. Under construction. I must totally rewrite it, because of
new insights, new wishes, things are not possible in mapcss and still learning,
time as stumbling block.</DIV>
<DIV><A style='href: "https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58694"'
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<DIV>Focus on road tagging.</DIV>
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<DIV>When it comes to a voting about a key/value.</DIV>
<DIV>Give people the opportunity, to tag more correctly, at a voting, which
arguments are more important. Saying “no” “yes”, the why is more
important.</DIV>
<DIV>When I make a proposal, multi_tracked_motor_vehicle. Many are fine with
motorcar, If they do not see the need for others and there vote is “no”, this
“no” has for me a lesser value.</DIV>
<DIV>This could have a negative effect on the development of OSM.</DIV>
<DIV>Which interest is greater than the others, what to decide.</DIV>
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<DIV>Lately I wrote down for myself some thoughts. </DIV>
<DIV>1. A traffic sign (combination) should preferably be tagged with as few
tags as possible.</DIV>
<DIV>2. A traffic sign should preferably be tagged as directly as possible with
tags.</DIV>
<DIV>3. Neutralizing, opposite tagging should be avoided as much as
possible.</DIV>
<DIV>4. The diagram access hierarchy is not complete, missing keys.</DIV>
<DIV>5. When developing key value, the decision hierarchy must be
considered.</DIV>
<DIV>6. Every way of transport must have equal opportunities to achieve good
routing.</DIV>
<DIV>7. Possible conflicting keys/value must be solved. (Dual
explanation).</DIV>
<DIV>8. A traffic signs wiki is very important. (Also combination signs on
pages.) Carefully selected, customized for possibility of use in presets.</DIV>
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<DIV>multi_tracked_motor_vehicle, the possibility of use, used in presets, (it
is a correct key) maybe over 10-15 years, we see, it is a established key, more
important then motorcar. ;-) The life of a key. Mission accomplished.</DIV>
<DIV>Give it a try?</DIV>
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<DIV>So I must make a icon for speedpedelec, for use my style.</DIV>
<DIV>This is needed because, government write speedpedelec with text on
traffic_sign (undersigns). Even estate owners could make signs with
..............</DIV>
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<DIV>small electric vehicles, as a group, which vehicles, where is it placed in
the hierachy, which icon should I use.</DIV>
<DIV>hydrogen, ...............must these vehicle have also their own group?
(future)</DIV>
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<DIV>or is a key needed that gives which type of motor is used.</DIV>
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<DIV>moped=no and moped:electric=yes</DIV>
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<DIV>In the Nedertherlands on a G13 traffic_sign “not mandatory cycleway” a mofa
can use it, BUT, ..........</DIV>
<DIV>“<SPAN
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color=#333333>Bestuurders van snorfietsen uitgerust met een verbrandingsmotor
mogen het onverplichte fietspad slechts gebruiken met uitgeschakelde
motor.”</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>“Drivers of light mopeds equipped with an internal combustion engine may
only use the non-mandatory cycle path with the engine switched off.”</DIV>
<DIV><A
title=https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0004825/2019-07-01#HoofdstukII_Paragraaf1_Artikel5
href="https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0004825/2019-07-01#HoofdstukII_Paragraaf1_Artikel5">https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0004825/2019-07-01#HoofdstukII_Paragraaf1_Artikel5</A></DIV>
<DIV>This means that you can use it with a electric motor or bicycle pedals (if
on it), manually.</DIV>
<DIV>Then the access is mofa=no mofa:electric=yes mofa:manual=yes.</DIV>
<DIV>This is a translation of a traffic_sign and law rules.</DIV>
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<DIV>*:electric=* is lower in hierarchy not used yet, <A
style='href: "https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mofa:electric"'><FONT
face="Times New Roman">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mofa:electric</FONT></A></DIV>
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<DIV>Is this better to appoint electric use?</DIV>
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<DIV>I think so it could also be used for all type of vehicles.</DIV>
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<DIV>See the practise of emission zones and rules, what we see translated on
traffic_signs.</DIV>
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face="Times New Roman">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60186</FONT></A>
even the age of a vehicle is now used.</DIV>
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