<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 21:45, Francesco Ansanelli <<a href="mailto:francians@gmail.com">francians@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il gio 19 dic 2019, 21:28 Phake Nick <<a href="mailto:c933103@gmail.com" target="_blank">c933103@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The current usage is that, "Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that the start and finish of the route are at the same location". As in a route from Paris to Milano to Frankfurt then back to Paris would be tagged as roundtrip=yes. You have edited the wiki against established usage to make it become a no. A word used as a key isn't perfect doesn't mean you can suddenly edit the wiki to change its definition without regard of all the established usage in the osm database.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The question is, current tagging respect original author intention? Unlucky Roundtrip change meaning between American and British English afaict.</div><div dir="auto">I've discussed also with another mapper and we agreed to fix wiki in order to avoid further misunderstandings.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">在 2019年12月20日週五 01:21，Francesco Ansanelli <<a href="mailto:francians@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">francians@gmail.com</a>> 寫道：<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Volker,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I haven't change the meaning of Roundtrip, but just reworded to clarify it.</div><div dir="auto">Roundtrip yes is not a closed loop...</div><div dir="auto">Please check this discussion:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip#loop" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip#loop</a></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Francesco,</div><div>you have changed the meaning of the tag from inluding the possibility of a loop to exluding it. And I am aware of a number of (cycling) routes that are loops and that are tagged with roundtrip=yes accordng to the previous version of the wiki.</div><div>Please revert the wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Furthermore with your new defintion practially or at least many cycle routes are roundrip routes even though everyone would consdere them as linear routes. Nearly all "linear" bicycle routes to which I contributed can be ridden as roundtrip in the sense that they are signposted in both directions, and care has been taken in those sections where the forward and the backward route are different by using the foreward|backward roles. The (fewer) routes with loop geometry as well can be ridden in either direction. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Volker</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers</div><div dir="auto">Francesco</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il gio 19 dic 2019, 15:40 Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">voschix@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Please relable your "roundtrip" proposal as such.</div><div><br></div><div>Please do not change the meaning of an established tag. roundtrip=yes|no is used about 34k times, based on a different definition, see <br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations</a></div><div><br></div><div>Volker<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 15:18, Francesco Ansanelli <<a href="mailto:francians@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">francians@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear List,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have updated the roundtrip page and created the closed loop proposal in order to address the misuse of the first tag:</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roundtrip" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roundtrip</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:closed_loop=yes" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:closed_loop=yes</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please let me know what you think</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Many thanks</div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Francesco</div></div>
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