<div dir="ltr"><div>Pedelec and S-Pedelec are terms frequently used in EU countries.</div><div>A good introduction is the Wikpedia article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec">Pedelec.</a></div><div>As for tagging we need to be extremely careful not to use ambiguous terms. <br></div><div>Certainly access=electrical_bicycle is to be avoided as that would comprise two categories of vehicles (Pedelec and S-Pedelec) that are treated very differently in many countries.</div><div><br></div><div>This subject is really messy as we have also cities issuing local regulations as well that can modify national regulations.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't we have in the community someone who knows someone who works in the electrical bicycle market? The manufacturers need to have some documentation, I presume.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 at 01:01, Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">small_electric_vehicle for segways and electric kick scooters seems confusing to me: I would imagine this including electric golf carts (already tagged golf_cart=yes/designated/no) and perhaps other things.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">It’s also a bit odd that electric pedal-assist bicycles with limited top speed are to be tagged electric_bicycle= but faster e-bikes would be tagged “speed_pedelec=“ - shouldn’t it be “high_speed_electric_bicycle=“ or similar?</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font color="#313131"><span style="word-spacing:1px">Joseph</span></font></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 11:34 PM Jan Michel <<a href="mailto:jan@mueschelsoft.de" target="_blank">jan@mueschelsoft.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Taking the various comments and suggestions into account,<br>
I revised some of the tags proposed and also included electric mopeds<br>
in the proposal.<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricBicyclesAndScooters" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricBicyclesAndScooters</a> <br>
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The current set of tags is:<br>
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* electric_bicycle - bicycles with motor assistance<br>
* speed_pedelec - fast electric bicycles, similar to mopeds<br>
* kick_scooter - the 'childrens style' scooter<br>
* small_electric_vehicle - electric scooters (similar to kick scooters), <br>
Segway etc. These refer to a class of vehicles in European (French, <br>
German) law<br>
* moped:electric - slow electric motorcycles (EU: up to 25 km/h typically)<br>
* mofa:electric -medium fast electric motorcycles (EU: up to 45 km/h <br>
typically)<br>
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I hope that this set of tags is able to cope with most existing and <br>
planned regulations and is free of ambiguities.<br>
Please let me know your opinion and further suggestions!<br>
<br>
Jan<br>
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On 10.11.19 18:05, Jan Michel wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
> up to now we don't have documented tags for small electric vehicles like <br>
> bicycles and scooters. On the other hand, special access rules and <br>
> amenities become more and more common.<br>
> <br>
> These new keys are not only necessary for access tags, but also intended <br>
> for use with any other kind of amenity like parking, shops, service, <br>
> charging...<br>
> <br>
> I wrote a proposal [1] to define common keywords for these vehicles.<br>
> Please let me know your opinion and further suggestions!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> [1] <br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricBicyclesAndScooters" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricBicyclesAndScooters</a> <br>
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