<div dir="ltr">We have similar services to those, but I wouldn't map those. If you subscribe for a high enough tier of Telekom Internet, you get access to FON. If you subscribe to UPC and enable it on your modem, you get access to UPC Wi-Free.<div><br></div><div>We must not map these because these are not hotspots of public interest. You can not simply pay a given sum of money (or register for free) to connect - if you don't live in a house where there is Telekom/UPC coverage or you don't want to sign up for years of commitment - you're out. Also FON has their own map, so similar to campus Wi-Fi, those who have access already know where to look for it (this was a phrase on the wiki in the past).</div><div><br></div><div>We must only map points of public interest, this is why we map neither home water taps, nor encrypted home Wi-Fi. This is not my opinion - these are the established practices of mapping - do tell me if this policy changes, because I wouldn't mind mapping these myself.</div><div><br></div><div>FVGWiFi is a bit different that you don't need any serious commitment to get access and it is indiscriminately accessible for anyone living in the country, hence I think it qualifies as being of (local) public interest and is mappable.</div><div><br></div><div>We had similar, but less restrictive network providers in Hungary in the past, for example WifiZone and Wiera, not sure if they are still free. Certain municipalities also operate dozens of protected hotspots in their own district/town, I guess they have similar limitations so we could map them with the same tags after we invent the missing keys.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Some have no fee as such but linked to
you opening your home wifi for use by others (telstra Australia do
such a thing). <br>
I prefer access=private. <br>
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<div>Okay, I guess customers may be getting a bit closer,
although we would still need to convey somehow that not
everyone can be a customer (for example no tourists) and that
I can't just show up in person to volunteer to be a customer
as wit ha cafe - I need to do my "homework" of registering at
home or at another hotspot.</div>
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Be advised that I wrote many parts of that wiki page, including
that phrase. It was not part of the original proposal - I've
merely documented what I found on TagInfo at the given time
instance (it occurs 4 times at the moment that is below noise
level), or at least some of the better and more consistent
ideas. I'd be open to suggestions for improving any part if you
see it benefits the community.
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<div>I'd like to point out that the word "charge" around here is
mostly used in the meaning of replenishing electric charge
into the battery of a device. It is so widely used in this
sense that even many of those understand it who don't speak
English! In this context, I think it could be confused with
amenity=device_charging_station, although I acknowledge that a
mapper needs a certain amount of ingenuity to mix this up.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 10:36
PM marc marc <<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>>
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29.12.19 à 21:50, bkil a écrit :<br>
> fee=no @ register with an Italian phone number<br>
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it seems to indicate that it's fee=yes if you don't register,<br>
which doesn't seem to fit with what you're saying.<br>
I prefer :<br>
internet_access:fee=customers (you need to be a customer of
it... some<br>
use access for that)<br>
internet_access:fee:amount=0 (the wiki suggest this key but<br>
internet_access:charge is imho better)<br>
internet_access:description=*<br>
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