<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">1) free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and free_water=customers is very confusing and people will mis-tag free water for paying customers as free_water=yes<br><br>This model is used for many other tags in OSM. One of the most<br>fundamental tags, access=*, uses it to show "access only for customers"<br>for example. See<br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers</a> .<br>free_water=customers would not look out of place at all in that list.</div><div dir="ltr">>>></div><div>It may be OSM compatible but doesn't seem optimal and our crowdsource model may bring newbies tagging incorrectly cafes and bars. <br><br>How about free_water_refill=yes free_water_table=yes ? What is the character count permissible for tags ?</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the instructions for adding new fountains in 6 languages. Written with the help of Wikimedia, OSM France, OSM Spain and OSM Switzerland and friends. </div><div><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>2)</div><div dir="ltr"><br>The other dimension that has been mentioned, is "bring your own<br>container" vs. "we supply the container". Something like<br>"container=customer", "container=supplier" or "container=both" perhaps? <br></div><div dir="ltr">>>></div><div> container=supplier does not allow individuals to carry at all times a reusable water bottle. a) of course an establishment always has the right (and the obligation) to refuse to fill a filthy water bottle. I would also suggest individuals always unscrew the top of the bottle before handing to the barman ... to reduce the possibility of germ contamination. </div><div><br></div><div>This being said, I can see the usefulness of this tag understand the usefulness of this tag (although we will exclude container=supplier from our application display.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart </div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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1. Re: Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant<br>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 12:18:19 +0100<br>
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Hello,<br>
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1)<br>
free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and free_water=customers is<br>
very confusing and people will mis-tag free water for paying customers as<br>
free_water=yes<br>
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2)<br>
yes, amenity=cafe, amenity=bar, amenity=restaurant are just examples. I<br>
wanted to give context for the purpose of the discussion. Our NGO will<br>
contribute to the creation of a network of cafes and restaurants willing to<br>
refill water bottles all over Europe.<br>
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3) carafe was a suggestion, happy to entertain any more self explicit<br>
suggestions.<br>
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4) yes, I have had extensive conversations with the Refill headquarters..<br>
Their board will not entertain an open data model.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Stuart<br>
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PS : I hope<br>
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> 6. Re: Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant<br>
> (Jake Edmonds)<br>
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:06:58 +0100 (CET)<br>
> From: Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com" target="_blank">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>><br>
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> 13 Jan 2020, 10:42 by <a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>:<br>
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> ><br>
> > How about free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and<br>
> free_water=customers if it is only available to paying customers?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> +1<br>
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> And free_water=no for explicit tagging of not providing a free water.<br>
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> > I assume this could actually apply to all manner of objects, including<br>
> pubs, bus stations, town squares... If so, there is no need to reference<br>
> amenity=cafe etc in the tagging standards, other than as a non-normative<br>
> illustration or example.<br>
> ><br>
> Though I am unsure whatever tagging town square with mapped<br>
> amenity=drinking_water is a good idea.<br>
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> > Referencing carafe is not a good plan; firstly that is the container,<br>
> not the contents and this proposal is about the contents. Secondly, many<br>
> other things are frequently served in carafes, such as wine. So<br>
> free_carafe=yes may end up disappointing a few people...<br>
> ><br>
> And water is not always served in a carafe.<br>
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> And as bonus this tag is significantly less clear in meaning (even<br>
> "carafe" word<br>
> is among rare ones, more likely to be unknown).<br>
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> From: Jake Edmonds <<a href="mailto:jake_edmonds@me.com" target="_blank">jake_edmonds@me.com</a>><br>
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> I’ve heard of places not refilling water bottles due to hygiene reasons<br>
> (whether that is a concern or not is a separate discussion) but will give a<br>
> glass of water to whoever asks. And on the opposite side, there are places<br>
> that will refill bottles but won’t give a glass a water.<br>
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> > On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:06, Mateusz Konieczny <<a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com" target="_blank">matkoniecz@tutanota.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > 13 Jan 2020, 10:42 by <a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>:<br>
> > How about free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and<br>
> free_water=customers if it is only available to paying customers?<br>
> ><br>
> > +1<br>
> ><br>
> > And free_water=no for explicit tagging of not providing a free water.<br>
> > I assume this could actually apply to all manner of objects, including<br>
> pubs, bus stations, town squares... If so, there is no need to reference<br>
> amenity=cafe etc in the tagging standards, other than as a non-normative<br>
> illustration or example.<br>
> > Though I am unsure whatever tagging town square with mapped<br>
> > amenity=drinking_water is a good idea.<br>
> ><br>
> > Referencing carafe is not a good plan; firstly that is the container,<br>
> not the contents and this proposal is about the contents. Secondly, many<br>
> other things are frequently served in carafes, such as wine. So<br>
> free_carafe=yes may end up disappointing a few people...<br>
> > And water is not always served in a carafe.<br>
> ><br>
> > And as bonus this tag is significantly less clear in meaning (even<br>
> "carafe" word<br>
> > is among rare ones, more likely to be unknown).<br>
> > <br>
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