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fountains. (Joseph Eisenberg)<br>>>>> Joseph, of all the suggestions I have seen. Open hours seems the cleanest and least ambiguous </blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
5. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water<br>
fountains. (Jarek Piórkowski)<br>
>>>> Jarek, I think preferable to avoid seasons on open hours and put month range to avoid Northern/Southern hemisphere confusion. What do you think?<br></blockquote><div> ------------------</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:52:29 +0900<br>
From: Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for<br>
outdoor water fountains.<br>
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> seasonal=summer<br>
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Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100%<br>
clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in<br>
the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer".<br>
<br>
As mentioned on the wiki page "Note these values can be ambiguous for<br>
features that that vary between different states since it can be<br>
unclear which state occurs at which time of the year."<br>
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For a drinking fountain I would assume that "seasonal=summer" meant<br>
"available only in summer), but for a natural spring in a hot,<br>
dry-summer climate, I would have to assume that "seasonal=summer" is a<br>
mistake which meant "not present in summer", though it should have<br>
been tagged "seasonal=autumn;winter;spring" perhaps.<br>
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And here in the tropics it is every more confusing to interpret<br>
"seasonal=wet_season" and "seasonal=dry_season" - one expects<br>
"seasonal=dry_season" for roads and "seasonal=wet_season" for rivers,<br>
but this is not always used properly.<br>
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The simple "seasonal=yes/no" is at least clear, though with natural<br>
features "intermittent=yes/no" is more common and has a similar<br>
meaning.<br>
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On 1/16/20, Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 01:19, Joseph Eisenberg<br>
> <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On 1/15/20, European Water Project <<a href="mailto:europeanwaterproject@gmail.com" target="_blank">europeanwaterproject@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain<br>
>> > (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and<br>
>> > drinking_water = yes" )?<br>
>><br>
>> Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features,<br>
>> they usually have a date when they are turned on or off.<br>
>> ...<br>
>> For a drinking fountain which is turned on sometime in April and is<br>
>> turned off sometime in November, you can use "opening_hours=Apr-Nov".<br>
>><br>
>> If the fountain or drinking fountain will be turned on April 10th and<br>
>> turned off November 25th, you would use "opening_hours=Apr 10-Nov 25"<br>
><br>
> What is the recommendation in cases where the months when they are<br>
> turned on and off are not easily determined? I have been thinking of<br>
> seasonal=summer but happy to take a better tag instead.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> --Jarek<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:14:45 -0500<br>
From: Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>><br>
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 20:52, Joseph Eisenberg<br>
<<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > seasonal=summer<br>
><br>
> Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100%<br>
> clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in<br>
> the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer".<br>
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Ah, good point! So I guess for a drinking fountain seasonal=yes is the<br>
most reasonable when I don't know the months when it's active (I'm in<br>
a climate that freezes, so they get shut down sometime before that).<br>
That's decently human-readable and I'd guess most people will guess<br>
right when informed that the fountain is "seasonal".<br>
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Unfortunately I've just now started noticing that these are shut off<br>
and while I guess they were actually shut down closer to November...<br>
<br>
I was also thinking about public toilets that get closed off in the<br>
winter (I think because they're not heated, so no water in winter?) -<br>
I guess opening_hours=off @ (winter) is the best we can do if we don't<br>
know when they are closed off.<br>
<br>
(I'm keeping in mind that "winter" isn't unambiguous, but I hope<br>
software can apply a rough preset based on hemisphere in which the<br>
feature is located?)<br>
<br>
--Jarek<br>
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