<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div><br></div><div>I also agree that removing amenity=drinking_water as a tag makes sense. The physical attributes of a node/way still exists - irrespective of whether the water is drinking quality. For example, a spring which has water polluted after a big storm, stays a spring. </div><div><br></div><div>drinking_water = <yes/no> as a sub-tag seems more logical.</div><div><br></div><div>Assuming we open the pandora's box of removing amenity=drinking_water which is used on 207,000 nodes and ways. <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=drinking_water" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=drinking_water</a><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>What would be the best way to proceed to re-tag ?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Stuart </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 16:29, António Madeira via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I'm not going into etymologic discussions, but fountain, be it in
British English or any other language with Latin origins is a source
of drinkable water (a spring). Maybe, just guessing, there were
fountains in Britain and they're not used anymore or were simply
abandoned because they were not needed in the modern age, thus the
evolution of the word to simply mean "ornamental fountain", but
that's not the case in Mediterranean and Eastern countries.<br>
That was the main purpose of this thread, to discuss the
"restrictions" that the wiki imposed on that main feature.<br>
<br>
If, in Britain, a fountain is normally a ornamental fountain, that
shouldn't restrict the possibility of widening its meaning to
encompass the reality in other countries, where fountains are, in
fact, a potable source of water and an ornamental fountain (which
doesn't allow to drink water due to the absence of a tap or a pipe)
is just an extension of that or a subtype.<br>
I think that was fairly accomplished with the recent changes in the
wiki and the use of drinking_water=yes on such features.<br>
Drinking fountain could be a good alternative, but it seems reserved
to "a man-made device providing a small jet of water for drinking",
which doesn't include at all the type of fountain I started this
thread with.<br>
<br>
I just commented that I agreed that amenity=drinking_water should be
abandoned, because you can use drinking_water=yes on all existing
features that provide water (fountains, springs, wells, taps,
drinking fountains, etc.)<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
<br>
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<div>Às 11:40 de 06/02/2020, Paul Allen
escreveu:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:15, António Madeira via
Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div> A fountain should be first and foremost a place where
there's water served to the public.</div>
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<div>That may be the meaning of the word in some languages,
but OSM uses British</div>
<div>English. In British English the word "fountain," by
itself, usually means an</div>
<div> ornamental fountain. In British English, a fountain
which supplies drinking water is</div>
<div> known as a "drinking fountain."</div>
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<div> The concept of "sculptural and/or decorational" should
be just a component of the fountain, depending on the
country/culture.</div>
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<div>Nope. The concept should be that "fountain" in OSM
reflects its meaning in British</div>
<div>English and not its meaning in another language.</div>
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<div> Decorational fountains without the use of drinking
water are just a subtype of fountain, because the main
use/purpose of the vast majority is to serve water.<br>
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<div>This is just plain wrong. There can be ornamental
fountains which do not supply</div>
<div>drinking water (because there are issues which mean it's
not potable). There</div>
<div> can be utilitarian, ugly drinking fountains such as
those in schools. And there</div>
<div> can be ornamental fountains that also supply drinking
water. And all come under</div>
<div>the generic term "fountain" in British English. That's
why there is a subtag</div>
<div>drinking_water=yes which can be applied to an
amenity=fountain (which means</div>
<div>a decorative fountain) that also supplies drinking
water. If it's an ugly</div>
<div>fountain there is amenity=drinking_water.</div>
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<div>-- <br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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