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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Joseph Eisenberg</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your input and your intention to keep this wiki clear.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did not count "abstain" as part of the vote total and I don't see any good reason for doing that.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The discussion about the name, was early in the voting. After that the people still voted "yes".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are good reasons to use "give box" because it is a well-known and existing concept in several European countries.
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<p class="MsoNormal">But maybe some people want a different Name:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had extended the voting period until 8 February. Feel free to change your mind and vote "no" if you want another name.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please give a clear statement. I will only count "yes" and "no" as part of the total.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is also helpful if you vote "yes" and give a clear comment about the name.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Currently my second choice would be "free box".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Markus Peloso<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>Von: </b><a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">Joseph Eisenberg</a><br>
<b>Gesendet: </b>Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2020 15:00<br>
<b>An: </b><a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tag discussion, strategy and related tools</a><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, if we count all of those, it is 68% (13/19) which is less than<br>
the 74% cut-off.<br>
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I don't think this should be considered "approved". There were several<br>
comments that "free box" or something else that is more common in<br>
British English should be considered instead.<br>
<br>
More important than the number of votes is whether signficant problems<br>
and objections have been addressed. In this case, the concern is that<br>
"give box" is quite rare in Britain and other native English-speaking<br>
countries, and is not unambiguous.<br>
<br>
- Joseph Eisenberg<br>
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On 2/5/20, Markus Peloso <mar.pel@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dgive_box">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dgive_box</a><br>
><br>
> A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in<br>
> the sense of free sharing and reuse.<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Thanks for voting and for the inputs. Based on the result «13 votes for, 1<br>
> vote against and 5 abstentions» I set the status to approved :D.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Markus<br>
><br>
> Von: Markus Peloso<<a href="mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com">mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com</a>><br>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2020 09:42<br>
> An: Tag discussion, strategy and related<br>
> tools<<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Betreff: Feature Proposal - Voting - give box<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box</a><br>
><br>
> A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in<br>
> the sense of free sharing.<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the discussion, inputs and improvement to this tag.<br>
><br>
> I request for voting now.<br>
><br>
> Feel free to give also a negative answer if you only don’t like the name.<br>
> Then please write in the comments what name you prefer. Based on the result<br>
> I will made a second vote with a new name. Other suggested names are:<br>
> • amenity=free_box<br>
> • amenity=free_goods<br>
> • amenity=give_take_box<br>
> • shop=freeshop<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Markus<br>
><br>
> Von: Markus Peloso<<a href="mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com">mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com</a>><br>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020 21:26<br>
> An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box</a><br>
><br>
> A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in<br>
> the sense of free sharing.<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Thank you for your inputs to improve this documentation and make it easy to<br>
> understand what this tag is all about. I have removed all references and<br>
> notes to give away shops, because those are not helpful for a clear<br>
> specification of this tag.<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the hint with the hiker boxes and the other type of boxes. Good<br>
> to see that there are similar projects all over the world. I have included a<br>
> section with suggestions on how this boxtypes could be handled with existing<br>
> tags (the goods tag is already taken). I want this tag to be more specific<br>
> then the reuse tag. I do not want to cover all existing variations with it.<br>
> IMO someone like food boxes for example deserve their own tag.<br>
><br>
> Von: Markus Peloso<<a href="mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com">mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com</a>><br>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2020 13:04<br>
> An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
> Betreff: AW: Feature Proposal - RFC - give box<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box</a><br>
><br>
> A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the<br>
> sense of free sharing.<br>
><br>
> Many thanks for your helpful Feedback and your support. :D<br>
><br>
> I have updated the proposed.<br>
><br>
> I like the idea of using the shop=charity icon. Maybe the icon could be a<br>
> combination of the shop=charity icon and the shop=gift icon.<br>
><br>
> I change the tag name to give_box.<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box</a><br>
> Because the name Givebox is used by a website that provides fundraising<br>
> tools.<br>
><br>
> The naming was the difficult part. Why am I for give_box:<br>
><br>
> + Give box is already a known concept in Europa with a big community.<br>
> + I think "gift box" would be a very good name to describes the idea of this<br>
> facility. As a self organized solidarity space of free giving/donating and<br>
> free taking/reusing. The name "Give box" is similar.<br>
> + Give box is not overused for other things found in the internet, eg.<br>
> internet modems.<br>
><br>
> "reuse" is to generic, eg. someone can tag a fridge with amenity=reuse and<br>
> reuse=fridge, to document a place to share food. But I think this kind of<br>
> facility deserves its own tag.<br>
> I think the tag "reuse" is currently only used because there is no other tag<br>
> for this kind of facility.<br>
><br>
> Give boxes are some kind of public storage room/space in the sense of giving<br>
> and reuse. I think the "free store" (German "Umsonstladen") in Germany is<br>
> more a give box as a store. As I read, even the shelf's in the "free store"<br>
> ("Umsonstladen") are brought by the community, that's more something like a<br>
> public storage room. In a store I would except employees who eg. place the<br>
> items on the shelves. That's way a give box is not a shop=charity or<br>
> shop=second_hand. The idea and organization behind a "free store" (German<br>
> "Umsonstladen") and "Give box" are the same, they differ only in the storage<br>
> space size. A shack can also be named as a store. This makes a clear<br>
> distinction difficult. As abstraction for OSM, I think we can use the same<br>
> tag.<br>
><br>
> free_box would be my second choice. I would like to solve it democratically.<br>
> In two weeks I would like to vote on give_box. If you prefer free_box then<br>
> vote against it and write it in the comment of the vote. Then I change it<br>
> and do a second vote for free_box.<br>
><br>
> Von: Markus Peloso<<a href="mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com">mailto:mar.pel@outlook.com</a>><br>
> Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2020 23:41<br>
> An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
> Betreff: Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox</a><br>
><br>
> A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the<br>
> sense of free sharing.<br>
><br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Based on the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse</a> and<br>
> the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_bookcase">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_bookcase</a> tag I<br>
> describe a tag for facilities similar to public bookcases but with all kinds<br>
> of (none food) goods.<br>
><br>
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