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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/2/20 10:29 pm, Florimond Berthoux
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Checking <a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values"
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<div>unremovable is already used a lot, though irremovable is
used also but four times less. So I guess you can document the
value.</div>
<div>(And no tag doesn't mean unremovable of course.)<br>
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<div>I would like to add that there's a common type in Paris
"Potelet sécable" breakable bollard which are designed to
break in two piece if pushed too much. <a
href="http://urbaco.be/pdf/fprod/FP-BOBSEC(V1-FR).pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">[1]</a><br>
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<div>Only a small piece break, so they can be repaired quickly
and for not much money.</div>
<div>They are used a lot when firemen should be able to go with
their trucks on an pedestrian area.</div>
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<div>No sure if those breakable bollards should be tag as
bollard=unremovable with subtag (unremovable=breakable) or
directly bollard=breakable.<br>
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<p>Umm... <br>
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<p>Bollards are there to protect people. With the present threats I
would think identifying which bollards could be easily driven
through on a public map/data base would be a bad idea. <br>
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<p>So I would be firmly against the idea of the subtag value
'=breakable'. <br>
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<div><a href="http://urbaco.be/pdf/fprod/FP-BOBSEC(V1-FR).pdf"
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 15 févr. 2020 à 19:54,
Hauke Stieler <<a href="mailto:mail@hauke-stieler.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">mail@hauke-stieler.de</a>> a
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi
all,<br>
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there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and
"removable"<br>
[0] but I often encounter also bollards which cannot be
removed easily.<br>
I would love to see the "unremovable" value in the
documentation. Should<br>
I open a proposal page for this one value? That sounds a bit
of an<br>
overkill to me.<br>
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My suggestion is the value "unremovable":<br>
A bollard which cannot be removed without destroying it or at
least<br>
cause severe damage to it. A bollard which can only be removed
by<br>
authorized people with some sort of key is still "removable".<br>
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I would not use the value "fixed" or "irremovable" for two
reasons: The<br>
"unremovable" value is used more often [1] and would be a good<br>
counter-value for "removable".<br>
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Hauke<br>
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[0] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bollard"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bollard</a><br>
[1] <a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=bollard#values"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=bollard#values</a><br>
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