<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 13:17, pangoSE <<a href="mailto:pangose@riseup.net">pangose@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  

    
  
  <div><span>IMO pond should not be mapped because it
      is not observable on the ground. How do you determine if it is </span><br>
    <span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">"artificially
        created"/"man made"?</span></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're asking whether it should be man_made=pond or natural=pond?  It's</div><div>neither.</div><div><br>
    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span>See:</span><br><span>
    </span><br><span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pond" title="wikipedia:Pond" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);background:rgb(255,255,255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">A pond</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">: a body of standing water, man-made
        in most cases, that is usually smaller than a lake. </span></span><br></blockquote>
    
    <span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:water%3Dpond" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:water%3Dpond</a></span></span></div><div><span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none"><br></span></span></div><div><span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Oh, you're talking about water=pond after all.  Nothing about</span></span></div><div><span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">water=pond says man_made or natural, it just says that there is</span></span></div><div><span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">a pond of water.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none"><br></span></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span></span><font size="2">As it stands right now in the wiki I suggest we either deprecate
      the tag completely or change the definition to something that is
      observable on the ground.</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Finally, after all the misleading stuff you wrote, you get to the point.  You</div><div>believe that the definition of a pond says that it is man-made and that</div><div>'we're (usually) unable to tell if a pond is natural or man-made.  But the</div><div>definition does NOT say ponds are man-made, it says "man-made in</div><div>most CASES" which means pond can be man-made or natural.</div><div><br></div><div>It might be sensible to make the definition a little more clear, but you've</div><div>mainly been arguing against your own misinterpretation of what it</div><div>currently says.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><br></div></div>