<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 06:26 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
"Praça ou largo: Praça, praceta ou largo: espaço numa zona urbana,<br>
normalmente sem edifícios (apenas a volta desta), que constitui um<br>
espaço público aberto"<br>
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This translates back to English as (approximately):<br>
"Praça, praceta or largo: space in an urban area, usually without<br>
buildings (except for around it), which constitutes a public open<br>
space"<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>sounds reasonable (apart that there may be buildings on a square, is not untypical)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div> I'll update this to the new definition from the English page.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Which you keep reverting to your interpretation of square. It currently reads "A town or village square: a hardscaped open public space, generally of
architectural significance, which is surrounded by buildings in a
built-up area such as a city, town or village."</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>While I do not object that this is describing a part of all squares, I do object that these are criteria which are suitable to exclude objects. For example "surrounded by buildings" is a typical situation, but is not a strict requirement. A public square surrounded by walls would be equally ok, for instance. A square which is not paved would be ok as well (not usual in many parts of the world, but quite common in others, where road paving is generally rare). Let me post some more examples of squares here:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Example for a famous square with buildings on it (Krakov):</div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.06164/19.93764">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.06164/19.93764</a></div><div><br></div><div>Example for a square that is not mainly hardscaped (although in a developed country), Strausberger Platz in Berlin (socialist urbanism)<br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.51865/13.42866">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.51865/13.42866</a></div><div><br></div><div>Two adjacent squares, with significant parts not hardscaped: Platz vor dem Neuen Tor, and Robert-Koch-Platz in Berlin<br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.52851/13.37865">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.52851/13.37865</a></div><div><br></div><div>Another example for a socialist square, mostly open / flowing space, center is a traffic junction: Platz der Vereinten Nationen: <br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.52328/13.42999">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.52328/13.42999</a></div><div><br></div><div>Square that is not surrounded / delimited by buildings (but by walls): <br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24534437">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24534437</a></div><div><br></div><div>Another example for a square that is not at all delimited by buildings:</div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2743565">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2743565</a></div><div><br></div><div>Example for a minor square without a lot of "architectural significance" (well, this may depend on your definition of significance, significant compared to what? One could also say thisi is significant, as it clearly stands out as open space from the road grid): <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125988144">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125988144</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I've also created an Indonesian page, which gives a couple examples of<br>
"alun-alun" in Indonesia which fit the definition:<br>
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1) <a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Alun-alun_Garut.jpg/400px-Alun-alun_Garut.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Alun-alun_Garut.jpg/400px-Alun-alun_Garut.jpg</a><br>
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2) <a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg/400px-Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg/400px-Alun_-_Alun_Bandung_Masjid_Raya_Bandung.jpg</a><br>
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But there are many other alun-alun that are grassy urban parks, not squares:<br>
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A) <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zpwpVxKz0q0/UXoUmFzUAXI/AAAAAAAABpI/brIHP9_dQQY/s400/images.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zpwpVxKz0q0/UXoUmFzUAXI/AAAAAAAABpI/brIHP9_dQQY/s400/images.jpg</a><br>
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B) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alun-alun_Tugu_-_Bunder_-_panoramio.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alun-alun_Tugu_-_Bunder_-_panoramio.jpg</a><br>
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C) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Square_Trenggalek_-_Alun-Alun_Trenggalek_-_panoramio_(10).jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Square_Trenggalek_-_Alun-Alun_Trenggalek_-_panoramio_(10).jpg</a><br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>From photos it is hard to judge these, because you would usually need to see the context in order to understand whether these are just parks or parks on squares. I also notice that these are all huge. Try to think of small squares as well, e.g. places like this: <br></div><div><a href="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/41/da/8341dab9b3f5b929cc136f06b01bb3cb.jpg">https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/41/da/8341dab9b3f5b929cc136f06b01bb3cb.jpg</a></div><div><a href="http://www.italymoviewalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/fontana-delle-tartarughe-roma-movie-walks.jpg">http://www.italymoviewalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/fontana-delle-tartarughe-roma-movie-walks.jpg</a></div><div><br></div></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Martin<br></div></div>