<div dir="ltr"><div>It seems like most people are saying highway=cycleway should only be used for urban road bicycle paths, not for mountain bike tracks, sparing one or two vocal critics like myself.</div><div><br></div><div>If that's the overwhelming opinion I can live with it, but we need to</div><div><br></div><div>1. update the wiki to make this clearer (which I'm happy to help out with, but need a decision here first to backup the changes) and,</div><div>2. work out how a dedicated mountain bike track should be tagged if not highway=cycleway</div><div><br></div><div>It feels like there are two camps on what highway=path is, some (and the wiki) says it's for unspecified designated modes or mixed used paths, others say it's for any remote path that's in the woods. Given the wiki says it's the former, then dedicated mountain bike tracks aren't highway=path since they are specifically designed, signposted or designated for mountain bikes. So the only suggestion I've seen so far for a non-shared dedicated mountain bike track is leisure=track. Although I would have thought leisure=track made more sense for a BMX pump track, I guess these tracks that are purpose built are done for mostly leisure as opposed as ways to help you get from A to B.</div><div><br></div><div>So if we use leisure=track, then what does sport=cycling mean, is that just for track cycling like in a veledrome, or does it also include mountain bikes and BMX bikes?</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 02:54, Greg Troxel <<a href="mailto:gdt@lexort.com">gdt@lexort.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Snusmumriken <<a href="mailto:snusmumriken.mapper@runbox.com" target="_blank">snusmumriken.mapper@runbox.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> On Thu, 2020-04-02 at 22:24 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:<br>
>> just usually only a certain kind of bicycle.<br>
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> Well, that's the problem, if one can't travel on a certain way with a<br>
> general purpose bicycle, then it shouldn't be tagged highway=cycleway <br>
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I agree, and I think this is the point.<br>
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We don't use "highway=unclassified" for a road that cannot be used by a<br>
passenger car and is only passable with an extreme-high-clearance 4WD<br>
vehicle.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>But we do, as I've mentioned <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions</a> says that classification is independent of what kind of vehicle you need, so you could be any of the highway=* tags except motorway for high clearance 4WD vehicles if they meet the highway classification definition. It is my understanding this is standard practice in many parts of the world.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 03:42, Jmapb <<a href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com">jmapb@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Perhaps highway=mtbway, which would be to cycleway what track is
to residential. It's ugly but it seems that a lot of people feel
that highway=path is not an ideal tag for a purpose-built mountain
bike trail. If highway=cycleway + mtb:scale above 1 is considered
troll tagging, then maybe mtbway is worth considering.</p></div></blockquote><div>I was thinking of something like that, but I think that ship has sailed. Until such time as OSM has a process to make breaking changes like this without breaking things for data consumers, I can't see a mass retagging in this way happen as overnight it would break things for many people who rely on this data.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Btw, since the original example Phyks posted is one of mine, I
can describe exactly how the tagging happened:</p>
<p> - Noticing local mtb trails tagged as hw=cycleway (can't
remember which ones exactly).<br>
- Reading the cycleway wiki page and seeing no counterindications
to this tagging, concluding that a mountain bike is a bicycle and
that trails primarily designed for mountain bikes should be
cycleways.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>That's exactly the conclusion I've come too, and why this whole thread exists since the wiki is not clear on this.</div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div>