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On Saturday, 4 April 2020, 11:55:01 CEST, Marc M. <marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">> Le 04.04.20 à 11:26, Florimond Berthoux a écrit :<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> <br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> Le sam. 4 avr. 2020 à 10:18, Snusmumriken a écrit :<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> <br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 20:53 +0200, Florimond Berthoux wrote:<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> > For this one <a shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wbi4wGbsg " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wbi4wGbsg </a>(Andrew's<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> > example)<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> > We're on the edge of tags definition : this a path limited cyclist,<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> > where a mountain bike almost mandatory to ride there. Some features<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> > help the cyclist.<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> <br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>> bicycle=yes is an access tag<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span><br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>+1<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">-1</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">1. Although the sentence about it being an access tag, is technically true, whar is meant is a primarily a normal bicycle, not sports equipment. </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> bicycle=yes is much more widely used, and various tools and users will expect that to pertain to transportation and touring, not extreme-sports (in some sense) or adventure.</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In addition I would say that a small grain adding weight to the argument of viewing this from the viewpoint of "normal utility cycling" is that normal cycling for transport is more important for the greater good. Everyday or utility ccyling is more important for for public health, for the environment and supports a majority of the 17 UN Sustainable Development Goals </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg17" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg17</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">(And incidentally cycling for transport is widely regarded as being a valuable tool now during the Covid-19 crisis , when people are advised not to use public transport. (And to not travel far) ). </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">2. As has been said several times previously, the main tags should convey consistent, predictable information.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">mtb:scale is a speciality / niche tag. Those that want to find information about sports tracks / routes will be able to use that alone. mtb:scale implies bicycle=yes (but in practice only for special bikes and/or skills ) </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Best Regards,</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Morten Lange</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>without a traffic sign related to access (I can't read the pannel),<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>I only use<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>higway=path<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>mtb:scale=2<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>incline=yes<br clear="none"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span>mtb=designated <- if the pannel is related to mtb<div class="ydp1461e36byqt6315524931" id="ydp1461e36byqtfd15278" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">> </span></span><br clear="none"><br><br><br><br><div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br></div><div class="ydpf533ce17signature"><div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">-- <div>Regards / Kveðja / Salaam za dhati / Hilsen </div><div>Morten Lange</div></div></div></div><div><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"></div></div></div><br><br><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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