<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>Maybe there would be some reason th change the proposal on tagging traffic_signals=crossing_only to make it more clear in teh value that only those traffic lights are meant with it, which do control only a crossing. But if that would be a solution at all, I don't really know. Because I think there is no real clear conclusion at the moment when highway=traffic_signals + crossing=traffic_signals to use on the same node and when not, because there are so many different possible situations as some examples were illustrated.</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 um 15:27 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "John Willis via Tagging" <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br/>
<b>Cc:</b> "John Willis" <johnw@mac.com><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic_signals=crossing_on_demand</div>
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<div>On Apr 15, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:pla16021@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>We have a lot of traffic light controlled crossings in Japan that are just for a crosswalk, while the smaller intersecting road is stop-sign controlled for cars. Only the crosswalk is controlled by a signal that stops traffic on the larger road - only when pressed. There are many of these. </div>
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<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/790227211" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/790227211</a></div>
<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/729071392" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/729071392</a></div>
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<div>- crosswalks for traffic signal controlled intersections where the light is _only_ sensor triggered - magnet loop in the road and a push-button for pedestrians. there are very few of these. a little sign says “push button” - and if you don’t press it, you will wait until a car comes.</div>
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<div>both of these are “on demand” to me . </div>
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<div>this is beyond normal signal controlled crosswalks in the middle of larger roads (like in front of a hospital, etc), </div>
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