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If a refugee site has a well established name (and, unfortunately,
there are many examples all over the world), I don't see why it
can't have a "place" tag.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 18:24 de 17/04/2020,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Lukas-458@web.de">Lukas-458@web.de</a> escreveu:<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>my question is whether this then rather would be something
for the "place" tag? Or did we maybe have that discussion
already?</div>
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<div>--Lukas</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag,
17. April 2020 um 18:28 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Manon Viou" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:m_viou@cartong.org"><m_viou@cartong.org></a><br>
<b>An:</b> "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -
Refugee Site Location</div>
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<div>Hello everyone,</div>
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<div>It seems I haven't been very clear in my
explanations; I sometimes have a bit of trouble
choosing the right word (especially in English). And
I think the “small”/”large” discussion is going the
wrong direction…</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The new tag we want to propose is to map refugee
camps or as it’s seems better to say in English now
: refugee sites. So we want to map <strong>human
settlement</strong>.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The social_facility=shelter tag is very suitable
to map single or individual building or a small
group of buildings like a refugee center, an
accommodation center or a care and hosting center
for refugees.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>But (according to many people now) the
social_facility=shelter tag is not suitable to map
refugee camps that are human settlements,
populated places where hundreds or thousands people
live.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>That’s why we propose to create a new value for
the amenity tag : amenity=refugee_site, to map human
settlement where refugees can find protection.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>kind regards, </div>
<div>Manon</div>
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<blockquote>Le 17 avril 2020 à 13:03, Warin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"><61sundowner@gmail.com></a> a écrit :<br>
<div class="ox-f86b873e6f-moz-cite-prefix">On 17/4/20
5:29 am, Manon Viou wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello, </div>
<div>According to Martin and Warin, the difference
between large and small refugee site is not clear
enough, <br>
Martin suggested to use population capacity, for
instance less than 200 people fro small refugee
site, </div>
<div>Warin suggested to use number of square
meters, </div>
<div>For what I have observed, small facilities
sheltering refugee (for instance: refugee centers,
accommodation center, care and hosting center,
church) are not exactly what we can call refugee
site. the difference, beyond the number of
building, number of population or square meter, is
quite obvious.</div>
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<p>?? How is it 'obvious'???</p>
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<p>I have no idea of what that 'obvious' thing is!</p>
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<div>Is it really necessary to set a precise rule ?</div>
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<p>At the moment there is nothing that can be used to
distinguish between the two.</p>
<p>Suggestion have been made on the number of
buildings, number of people and the area.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Please tell us how you distinguish between them.</p>
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<div>I would rather suggest to share some example
(like the ones mentioned above) in order to help
contributors to decide if it rather an
amenity=refugee_site or a
social_facility=shelter. </div>
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<p>Examples are fine. But there must be a statement in
words of the difference between them.</p>
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<div>Regards, </div>
<div>Manon</div>
<blockquote>Le 16 avril 2020 à 02:16, Warin <a
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a écrit :<br>
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16/4/20 1:23 am, Manon Viou wrote:</div>
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<div>Thanks Martin, yes, refugee sites should
always be temporary even if, as you said, some
turn to be very long term places. That's why
we do not suggest to add temporary/permanent
options. </div>
<div>Manon</div>
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<p>In which case the description for
amenity=social_facility +
social_facility=shelter is not correct.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If it is to be done on area then specify the
number of square meters rather than the number
of buildings???</p>
<p>Buildings can be a of different sizes and
capacities. An area could be more consistent as
to the number of people.</p>
<p>Imagery may not be up to date so counting
buildings may not be possible. </p>
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<div>Le 15 avril 2020 à 11:36, Martin
Koppenhoefer < <a
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a écrit :</div>
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<div>sent from a phone</div>
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<div>On 15. Apr 2020, at 01:13, Warin < <a
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<div>I would think amenity=refugee_site is
an area set aside for the non-temporary
residential use of refugees</div>
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<div>maybe I’m a dreamer, but I would expect
all refugee related features to be
“temporary”, even if we are talking about
relatively long periods of time</div>
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<div>Cheers Martin</div>
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