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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Over 83% of the tagged 'place's have a
name tag. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">What kind of 'places' that don't have a
name that will not be rendered are there? <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">A quick look in Nigeria... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Some of these are hamlets, villages
that can be mapped as landuse=residential that will be rendered
even without a name.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Some of these are islands/islets that
can be mapped using the surrounding water way that will be
rendered even without a name.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So far I don't see much of a problem?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/4/20 6:22 am, Hidde Wieringa
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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case
this is the wrong place to post my question, feel free to point
me to the correct mailing list/forum.</p>
<p>I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository (<a
href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115</a>)
with the question if places tagged with place=* but without a
name could be rendered. The follow-up pull request <a
href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120</a>
proposes a rendering for unnamed places.<br>
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<p>A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of
rendering a place without a name. This goes against the wiki (<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place</a>)
where the tag name=* is marked as required. The first line in
the wiki is <i>"Used to indicate that a particular location is
known by a particular name, to indicate what sort of "place"
it is. [...]"</i>. However indicating what sort of place it
is, does not require a name. Indicating that a place of some
sort exists at a certain location is also valuable data (a quick
count of Nigeria gives ~9800 nodes of places without a name
versus ~69000 nodes of places with a name).<br>
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<p>I wish to question the assumption that every place always has
or requires a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github
issue (<a
href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759</a>)
indicates that there may indeed be small populated places
without a name, although larger populated places always have a
name in practice. <br>
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<p>Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not
popular will mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of
that, mapped places will usually not get a name (yet), because
mappers are not locally familiar with the place. The data is
still useful for humanitarian aid (for example see <a
href="https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria</a>
for the many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving
data in Nigeria, in particular missing residential areas).
Rendering these places in a visual way makes using the data
easier. Later, the unnamed places could still be given a name by
a mapper with that knowledge.<br>
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<p>The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place'
and may be mapped when the name is unknown. <br>
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<p>I am curious about further reactions on this topic.<br>
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<p>Kind regards,<br>
<i>Hidde Wieringa</i><br>
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