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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/20 12:20 AM, Volker Schmidt
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<div dir="ltr">place=square seems to fit the bill<br>
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<p>place=square exists within the place=* hierarchy which , as
documented in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place</a>, is
used to characterize named locations. What we tag here is almost
always unnamed.</p>
<p>Our goal is to record the nature of that space - and most
importantly its functionality as a common free space.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 23:18,
Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree, the area in this spot (<a
href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA"
target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA</a>)
is a moderly sized open area of bare earth,
with buildings on 3 sides and a paved streets on a long
side. It appears to be used for sports and recreation, and
for walking. I suspect it might be a "de facto"
leisure=pitch - in the USA it would be an "empty lot" used
for soccer/baseball/etc. It could also be a
highway=pedestrian + area=yes - an open pedestrian area or
"town square" - those are usually paved in some way in
developed countries, but that's not a requirement. It does
not appear to be a park.</div>
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<div>There was not any formal discussion to deprecate
leisure=common, and mappers are certainly free to keep
using that tag. It was marked as deprecated by one wiki
user, about a year ago. </div>
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<div>But since the tag it is not well defined, it will be
hard for database users to interpret what it means.</div>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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<div>Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by <a
href="mailto:skquinn@rushpost.com" target="_blank">skquinn@rushpost.com</a>:<br>
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<div>On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:<br>
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<div>Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:<br>
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href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA"
target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA</a>
- larger than a<br>
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<div>street (it occupies a whole city block), used as
a multipurpose common<br>
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<div>area (pickup soccer games are a staple but
parking or lounging around<br>
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<div>also occur, and the occasional popular event) and
usually surfaced with<br>
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<div>sand or whatever the ground is.<br>
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<div>We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways
in Senegal and 486 in<br>
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<div>Mali according to <a
href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN"
target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN</a>)
- which is a bit of<br>
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<div>stretch from the British legal definition, but
worked well enough and<br>
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<div>did not conflict with its British usage. But
leisure=common is now<br>
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<div>deprecated<br>
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<div>So, what should we use instead ?<br>
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<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon"
target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon</a>
suggests using<br>
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<div>leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch
functionally but evokes<br>
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<div>greenery that does not occur here (though British
commons are just as<br>
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<div>green and we were happy with leisure=common)...
Any other ideas ? Or I'm<br>
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<div>going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !<br>
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<div>While leisure=park might work, there is also
leisure=recreation_ground<br>
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<div>leisure=recreation_ground sounds fitting to me and is
without baggage of legal<br>
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<div>status bundled into leisure=commons<br>
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<div>This specific place looks like leisure=pitch. And for
example in Poland some <br>
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<div>sport pitch may be used for an occasional event,
festival of various types.<br>
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<div>Note: I am unfamiliar with on-the-ground situation in
Africa</div>
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