<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">The tag landuse=common is different than leisure=common but the two seem to be mixed up in this post.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>The new tag landuse=common is not yet documented: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=common">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=common</a></div><div>It has been used 197 times, but perhaps due to confusion with the more common tag leisure=common: <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=common">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=common</a></div><div><br></div><div>The existing tag is leisure=common - <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=common">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=common</a></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">— Joseph Eisenberg</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM Jean-Marc Liotier <<a href="mailto:jm@liotier.org" target="_blank">jm@liotier.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for
those African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces,
which I fully support.<br>
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<p>Implementing this change requires the following actions:</p>
<p>- Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English
(I'll do that)</p>
<p>- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream
cartographic styles, would be even better if the color matched the
surface=* so that sandy surfaces don't appear green.</p>
<p>- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default
style (it recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll
open a JOSM ticket</p>
<p>- Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the
leisure=common deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of
Great Britain, where commons have a legal definition and
designation=common must be used for them. (I'll open a JOSM ticket
but if someone has prior experience interacting with the Osmose
people, that would be nice)<br>
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<div>On 5/3/20 4:19 PM, severin.menard via
Tagging wrote:<br>
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<div>Je suis d'accord avec Pierre : le tag
landuse=common convient bien à ces espaces ouverts dans les
villages et villes africaines et un parc n'a pas grand-chose à
voir avec.<br>
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<div>I agree with Pierre: the tag
landuse=common is well suited to these open spaces in African
villages and towns and a park has little to do with it.<br>
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<div> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 21:59, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml
<a href="mailto:talk-ml@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"><talk-ml@openstreetmap.org></a> a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Like others, I did map
many of these. I can tell you that we often see a common
space in center of african villages, often near the
school, and it is surely not green and have no
facilities like in the Nordic countries parks.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">People have to understand
that there are often no infrastructures in African
villages. But young people still gather and play.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I dont think that the OSM
tagging schema should reflect the legal status in specific
countries like UK. Various tags can reflect various
realities. And leisure=common seems to be quite well
adapted to Africa and dont exist to stretch the legal
defininition of UK. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">When the tag is used in
UK, I would understand that the UK contributors want to
follow a certain rule particular to their country.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But I dont agree to
deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa. <br>
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<div>Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4,
Jean-Marc Liotier <a href="mailto:jm@liotier.org" target="_blank"><jm@liotier.org></a> a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Here is a 360° picture of a square in
Dakar: <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA
</a>- larger than a <br>
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<div dir="ltr">street (it occupies a whole city block),
used as a multipurpose common <br>
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<div dir="ltr">area (pickup soccer games are a staple but
parking or lounging around <br>
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<div dir="ltr">also occur, and the occasional popular
event) and usually surfaced with <br>
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<div dir="ltr">sand or whatever the ground is.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We have long tagged it leisure=common (389
ways in Senegal and 486 in <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mali according to <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN</a>)
- which is a bit of <br>
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<div dir="ltr">stretch from the British legal definition,
but worked well enough and <br>
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<div dir="ltr">did not conflict with its British usage.
But leisure=common is now <br>
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<div dir="ltr">deprecated<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, what should we use instead ? <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon
</a>suggests using <br>
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<div dir="ltr">leisure=park - which isn't too much of a
stretch functionally but evokes <br>
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<div dir="ltr">greenery that does not occur here (though
British commons are just as <br>
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<div dir="ltr">green and we were happy with
leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or I'm <br>
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<div dir="ltr">going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !</div>
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