<div dir="ltr"><div>For the first problem I have often used an approximate approach, in the sense that if there were two different-level "give-ways" I would put the more severe one, i.e. the stop.</div><div>In other cases I have created two ways taking the painted divider as a real one.<br></div><div>For the second problem, I have simply ignored it.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree all three are not satisfactory.</div><div><br></div><div>The relation solution seems to be correct approach to me, even though it is little-used.</div><div>There are 59 stop or give-way relations in the US, but 57 of them are in the same city.</div><div>But there are >1392 relations with restriction:bicycle=give_way in France and the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction">Relation restriction Wiki page</a></div><div>lists it. They ave popped into existence with the turn-right-on-red for bikes regulation, which is spreading in Europe.<br></div><div>So it would be a small extrapolation from there to having generic stop and give-way restriction relations.<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 22:29, Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 16:21, António Madeira <<a href="mailto:antoniomadeira@gmx.com" target="_blank">antoniomadeira@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm not very knowledgable about relations, and I'm sorry if I'm a bit confused here, but doesn't a restriction relation means the exact opposite of what's intended here?<br>
> I mean, I want to apply a STOP sign to a given lane (in a way with two lanes, for example) and force its action to a given direction on the new road ahead.<br>
<br>
IMO, a relation helps here because you can define the route which the<br>
rule applies to - it only applies going "from" a certain way and "to"<br>
a certain way, and specifically applies at a given "position".<br>
<br>
Then it is just a matter of choosing what type of relation works best,<br>
or creating a new type.<br>
<br>
> If neither relation scheme (enforcement or restriction) can be applied here (for complexity or incompatibility reasons), why not use the existing lanes scheme?<br>
> Like this:<br>
><br>
> highway=stop<br>
> stop:lanes=yes|no<br>
> stop:turn:lanes=left<br>
<br>
Personally I've always seen highway=stop on a node, and I'm not sure<br>
:lanes tagging makes sense on a node (a point doesn't have lanes).<br>
You'd definitely need to add at least direction=forward/backward if<br>
tagging a node. But I wouldn't be opposed to that scheme in general.<br>
<br>
--Jarek<br>
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