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<p>Am 03.05.2020 um 15:29 schrieb Andrew Harvey:</p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:14,
Hubert87 <<a href="mailto:sg.forum@gmx.de">sg.forum@gmx.de</a>>
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"buffered".<br>
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"doorzone" to me, is a pretty laoded and subjective.<br>
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<div>I don't see it as subjective. If there is parking
directly next to the bicycle lane and if a parked car
opening a door would intersect with the marked bicycle lane,
then the bicycle lane is within a door zone. Is it the term
that's the issue or the concept? Judging by the wikipedia
page <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored</a>
it seems like a fairly widespread term globally.</div>
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<p>I'm familiar with that term and the concept. However 'doorzone'
(to me) seems to have negativ implications (=> hazard), due to
cyclists being doored. (If I remeber corectly, cyclelanes/paths
next to parking cars don't seem to be a big problem in NL due to
the "Dutch Reach", this is similar to cyclist being right-hooked
as it is inherend of the position of the cycleway relativ to the
carrigeway)<br>
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<p>So, I'd rather see the concept of "doorzone" be an emergend
property of multiple other tags (buffer, position of cycle lane,
...) derived by data users/renderes/routers.<br>
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Maybe something like:<br>
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cycleway:right=lane<br>
cycleway:right:lane=exclusive<br>
(cycleway:right:buffered=right/left/both/no)<br>
cycleway:right:buffered:right=yes/no/0.3(m)<br>
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<div>The problem still exists that this doesn't say if you're
at risk of being doored <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doored</a> (eg
no buffer, but also no parking lane), so a specific tag like
cycleway:lane:doorzone=yes/no/buffer addresses that better
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<p>Ideally, one of theese properties describing would need to use
the "parking:lane=*"- tag, to make is tag more wide spread.<br>
My rational is, using the same tags, that one could conclude the
conzept of "doorzone" but also other parking conflicts, like
crossing the cycle lane to pull in/out of an parking spot.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.05.2020 um 16:07 schrieb Andrew
Harvey:<br>
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<div class="gmail_attr">I've started sketching this out at <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:cycleway:lane:doorzone">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:cycleway:lane:doorzone</a> but
I think we need more examples of the full range of scenarios
as I've only got two so far.</div>
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<div>On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:35, Hubert87 <<a
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discriptive tag, like<br>
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cycleway:right:parking_lane=right/left/both/no/yes<br>
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<div>You would just use the existing
parking:lane:parallel=left/right/both tag no? <br>
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<p>Yes and No.<br>
Yes, as it give additional data to use.<br>
No, not "just", because that would not give the position of the
parking lane relativ to the cycleway/cyclelane.<br>
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