<div dir="ltr"><div>Hazard tag seems to be used when there is a sign, so I'm not confident to use it for doorzone.</div><div><br></div><div>There is two choices :</div><div>1. describe the layout of the street lanes + cyclelanes + : parking lane + sidewalk</div><div>then add the widt of the cycle lane.</div><div>Data consumer can deduce if the lane is dangerous or not</div><div>+ objective</div><div>+ complete without feature tagged twice</div><div>- harder to compute doorzone state</div><div>- harder to tag (a cyclist willing to tag doorzone has to tag parking lanes and width)</div><div><br></div><div>example :<br></div><div>cycleway=lane</div><div>cycleway:width=1m</div><div>parking:lane=parallel</div><div><br></div><div>=> doorzone</div><div><br></div><div>(I could add more tags, for buffer, but I keep simple as possible.)<br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>2. just tag doorzone feature</div><div>(opposite arguments +/-)</div><div><br></div><div>example :<br></div><div>cycleway=lane</div><div>cycleway:left:doorzone=yes</div><div><br></div><div>Before writing this email I was not pro 1., but it's only 2 tags against 1, problem is that you must measure the lane and that is little difficult (our eyes are bad at that).</div><div>At the end if the two way of tagging is documented for doorzone I'm ok with both.<br></div><div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 6 mai 2020 à 16:16, Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Seems to me that the hazard is a general hazard applying to all mixed traffic/parking situations. I would not map such a general hazard. Mapping events and risks, unless indicated by signage or markings, doesn't seem like a good idea to me.<div><br></div><div>In specific cases the hazard may deserve mapping, then it should be tied to specific OSM-objects, I think. If a parking "lane" is next to a cycle-lane, then you might want to see that when rendering or weigh in/warn when routing.</div><div><br></div><div>In that case I think maybe the best solution is to map the parking "lane" next to the cycling lane. The hazard then follows from the proximity.</div><div><br></div><div>Best, Peter Elderson<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 6 mei 2020 om 15:49 schreef <<a href="mailto:Lukas-458@web.de" target="_blank">Lukas-458@web.de</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px"><div>Hmm okay, convinced. I only hope noone else comes with that topic later again then, but to me it's ok.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 22:08, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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> I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a foot:doorzone=yes, too, because when a sidewalk is in the parking car's doorzone (I think most sidewalks next to parking:lane=parallel are), there is hazard for pedestrians, too. It might be not soo dangerus because pedestrians have much lower speed than cyclists often have, but if we want to tag that hazard I think we would have to affect both, foot and bicycle.<br>
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indeed there is much fewer risk for pedestrians and I would not tag it. Next thing would be to add hazards for roof tiles that may fly from roofs in case of storm? Snow sliding from roofs in winter? There may be many hazards if you think it through...<br>
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<div>I agree with Martin here, I don't think "foot:doorzone" is really needed as the concept only applies to bicycles.</div>
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