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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/05/2020 12:28, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 03:21, Mateusz Konieczny via
Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"
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<div>Any signed route may be mapped as a route relation. <br>
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<div>Depends how broadly or narrowly you define "signed
route."<br>
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<div>And sometimes signed route will be signed with paint
markings on trees,<br>
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<div>or by piles of rocks or by some other method rather
than be a sign.<br>
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<div>That's a pretty broad definition. Which is fine by me,
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<div> includes footpaths, bridleways, restricted byways, and
BOATs in the UK.</div>
<div>England and Wales have specific signs for such things:</div>
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href="https://www.simplyhike.co.uk/blogs/blog/a-guide-to-footpath-signs-in-england-and-wales"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.simplyhike.co.uk/blogs/blog/a-guide-to-footpath-signs-in-england-and-wales</a></div>
<div>Scotland and Northern Ireland also have signs for these
things, but they're different</div>
<div>from the ones in England and Wales.</div>
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<p>It's probably worth an explanation of "BOATs etc."* for a
non-local audience.</p>
<p>A "public footpath" is a particular legal designation in England
and Wales. It means that, in addition to any other legal rights
you might have, you're allowed to go from A to B on foot. These
have reference numbers (that may actually vary from parish to
parish). An example that I'm familiar with is "Ilkeston FP 81<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/U2f. That'smadeupof22differentwaysontheground(differentsurfaces,bridges,thatsortofthing).It'snotinitselfa">"
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/U2f . That's made up of 22 different
ways on the ground (different surfaces, bridges, that sort of
thing). It's not in itself a "</a>route" of any sort - it's just an
attribute of the underlying ways. There is no on-the-ground
signage of "Ilkeston FP 81".<br>
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<p>That approach to tagging works in the UK because, generally
speaking, we don't have overlaps of either prow_refs or FWIW
highway refs. In the US and countries where route numbers can
overlap it would make sense to map these as relations in OSM, but
here it doesn't, because they don't.</p>
<p>Those 22 ways in OSM are also part of "Erewash Valley Trail"
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1458963">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1458963</a> . That is a route,
and it's signed on the ground as such. Data consumers are then
able to use that data and present it to users in an appropriate
format. As an example,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=17&lat=52.997594&lon=-1.30515">https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=17&lat=52.997594&lon=-1.30515</a>
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<li>Has the prow_ref in black in brackets because they're not
typically signed</li>
<li>Has purple dots for the walking route relation</li>
<li>Has the walking route relation name not in brackets because it
is signed<br>
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<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p>* "byway open to all traffic"</p>
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