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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>May 15, 2020, 01:36 by jmapb@gmx.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class="">On 5/14/2020 12:07 PM, Mateusz
Konieczny via Tagging wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>May 14, 2020, 16:40 by <a href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">jmapb@gmx.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;" class="tutanota_quote"><div class="">On 5/14/2020 10:01 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:48 AM
Steve Doerr <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:doerr.stephen@gmail.com">doerr.stephen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>On 14/05/2020 09:31, Jo wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="auto"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, May 13, 2020,
17:44 Jmapb <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com" target="_blank">jmapb@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Regarding the original question -- in
what circumstances are single-member
walking/hiking/biking route relations a
good mapping practice -- what would be
your answer?<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Always<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Doesn't that violate<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element</a> ?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No. The route traverses the way, it's not the way. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><p>Okay. But surely this doesn't mean that every named footway
or path should be part of a route relation. <br></p><p>The bike trail that brad linked to, <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6632400">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6632400</a> -- I've never been there but I don't offhand see any reason to
call it a route. (Brad has been there, I assume, because it
looks like he updated it 2 days ago.) There's no information
in the relation tags that isn't also on the way itself. Is
there any benefit to creating a route relation in cases like
this?<br></p></blockquote><div>Better handling of future way splits, consistency.<br></div></blockquote><p>I can see the advantage of using a route relation as a somewhat
future-proof persistent identity -- a relation URL that will show
the whole trail even if the way is split to add a bridge, specify
surface, etc. At the same time, though, it feels like a bit of a
stretch to declare any named trail of any length as a route, <br></p></blockquote><div>Named way is not enough to be a route.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Named path across forest is just a path. Route would be a signed path through a forest,<br></div><div>with two objects:<br></div><div><br></div><div>- path across forest (with or without name)<br></div><div>- signed route (that has some topology, signs, maybe also a name)<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> might consider explaining it on the
wiki. The current language uses a lot of plurals...<br></div><p><br></p><div>"may go along roads or trails or combinations of these"<br></div><div> "consist of paths taken repeatedly"<br></div><div> "Add all different ways of the foot/hiking route to this relation.
The order of the ways matters."<br></div><p><br></p><p>... which leaves mappers like me & Brad scratching our heads
when we encounter one of these singleton routes.<br></p><p>J<br></p></blockquote><div>Not sure is it the best place (someone again decided to go crazy with templates), but<br></div><div>I made<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATagging_scheme_for_hiking_and_foot_route_relations&type=revision&diff=1991147&oldid=1988978">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATagging_scheme_for_hiking_and_foot_route_relations&type=revision&diff=1991147&oldid=1988978</a><br></div> </body>
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