<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi! I am late, sorry.</div><div><br></div><div>@Martin: you're right, i know the difference between goods and services. I've red the page and that sentence you've quoted
("These might include..." so it not exlude others... but maybe just in services cathegory) let me go on hoping in a larger use of that tag. <br></div><div><br>
</div><div>@Francesco&Damian: sorry for services instead of service. According to the restrictions of use the voucher within the municipality, it is the same where i'm from and I accept that it also applies to other municipality because
<span>each of them has chosen specific arrangements, even making use of external provision of services.</span></div><div><span>Also, asking to some employees from my municipality, it seems that this specific voucher was one-off measure, mainly addressed to those workers obliged to close their activity because of health emergency. Now, with Phase2 incoming, the economy growth is expected to resume, slowly. </span>
</div><div>With this background, it is difficult to foresee if this tag we would set up will have long life.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ciao<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 19 mag 2020 alle ore 20:49 Damjan Gerl <<a href="mailto:damjan@damjan.net" target="_blank">damjan@damjan.net</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Francesco Ansanelli je 19.5.2020 ob 17:33 napisal:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> Il giorno mar 19 mag 2020 alle ore 16:57 Martin Koppenhoefer <br>
> <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>>> ha scritto:<br>
><br>
> Am Di., 19. Mai 2020 um 14:55 Uhr schrieb Rossella Di Bari<br>
> <<a href="mailto:dbrossella@gmail.com" target="_blank">dbrossella@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dbrossella@gmail.com" target="_blank">dbrossella@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
><br>
> Hi! I am Rossella, an italian neo-mapper, nice to meet you :)<br>
> In Talk-It [1] we get into a debate on vouchers, provided by<br>
> the Government, for the purchase of essential goods, to<br>
> support the families in need in COVID time.<br>
> The vouchers are similar to SNAP or food stamps, they can also<br>
> be used to purchase essential supplies like medicines (not<br>
> just for food) and entitle to a certain percentage discount.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> right<br>
><br>
> I am posting here because it came forward the need to tag<br>
> supermarkets and pharmacies that accept the COVID vouchers as<br>
> a payment method and it's time for a broad debate.<br>
> Searching on Taginfo [2], i have found<br>
> payment:service_vouchers:covid19=yes used only 5 times and it<br>
> seems to be the most suitable tag because these specific vouchers:<br>
><br>
> * are a payment method;<br>
> * (in my opinion) can be considered a service_voucher as "a<br>
> financial instrument which allows a public authority to<br>
> target social services at those it deems in need" [3];<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> if you read along the wikipedia page you have quoted, it says<br>
> about the services "These might include for example home care<br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_care" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_care</a>>, household repairs,<br>
> ironing <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironing</a>>, or bicycle<br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle</a>> hire and repair."<br>
><br>
> "Food" you buy in a supermarket is not a service, neither<br>
> pharmaceuticals are. It would be a service to deliver your<br>
> purchase at your home, but the things you buy can not be regarded<br>
> a "service", and the payment:service_voucher tag (IMHO) does not<br>
> apply to these vouchers you want to map the acceptance of.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I have to partially agree with Martin, even if the "meal vouchers" <br>
> definition is too strict for the case in subject. How about a simple: <br>
> "payment:voucher:covid19=yes"<br>
><br>
> As I've already noted the tag: payment:service_vouchers:covid19=yes<br>
> should be written without the extra "s": <br>
> payment:service_voucher:covid19=yes<br>
> and I could live with it, if we fix them all (5).<br>
<br>
No problem to fix this 5 tags (I'm the author of this 5 used tags) when <br>
the tag will be defined.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Are you sure there is a distinct category of objects that accept<br>
> "buoni spesa" for COVID, that is not identitcal with the list of<br>
> those objects that accept payment with "reddito di cittadinanza"<br>
> (more general social care, not related to COVID)? I think I have<br>
> read they are the same (but it could eventually depend on the<br>
> region). If there are no differences, we could map the acceptance<br>
> of food vouchers for COVID the same as we map acceptance of<br>
> reddito di cittadinanza (i.e. the latter would imply the former<br>
> and would not require explicit mapping).<br>
><br>
><br>
> First of all, I think COVID-19 mapping should be suffixed by <br>
> ":covid19" and should never be assumed by default even if similar <br>
> services are given, then please also mind that "reddito di <br>
> cittadinanza" is AFAICT a debit Mastercard:<br>
> <a href="https://confcommerciogorizia.it/2019/06/14/reddito-di-cittadinanza-2019-in-quali-negozi-si-potra-spendere/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://confcommerciogorizia.it/2019/06/14/reddito-di-cittadinanza-2019-in-quali-negozi-si-potra-spendere/</a><br>
><br>
> At the bottom of the page you can see how the voucher are (last picture):<br>
> <a href="http://www.comune.cuneo.it/emergenza-covid-19-a-cuneo/spendiamoci-buono-spesa-alimentare.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.comune.cuneo.it/emergenza-covid-19-a-cuneo/spendiamoci-buono-spesa-alimentare.html</a><br>
><br>
> My only concern is that in my opinion, these vouchers cannot be spent <br>
> outside of the municipality that printed it, so I would also encourage <br>
> a tagging scheme like this:<br>
><br>
> payment:(service_)voucher:covid19=yes<br>
> payment:(service_)voucher:issued_by:covid19=Comune di Cuneo<br>
<br>
But maybe issued_by can be omitted, because can be deduced by position <br>
(should be in the same municipality)?<br>
I'm ok with both schemes (with or without service_).<br>
<br>
BR,<br>
Damjan<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Francesco<br>
><br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Martin<br>
><br>
<br>
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